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Kalaf
Mon May 16, 2005 5:02 pm
#14
can't mine? How so? I used mine last night. I takes at least 2 people to do it but hey it is a Multi-player ship.. Best setup I found was Mining Laser in TOp Turret, Real weapon in Lower rear turret and Tractr Beam in Pilot aimmed gun slot...
Imaridril
Tue May 17, 2005 12:32 am
#15
Salco wrote:
Imaridril wrote:
KyrYxus wrote:
a gross generalization. I'll put my YT, crew of 4 up against any 4 fighters any day of the week.
Imaridril wrote:
Yeah, but it suffers from the same problem that the other POB ships have, and that is that if you take all of the crew members of a POB ship and put them in their own fighters they can do whatever task the POB ship was trying to do, but better.
Salco wrote:
With a sufficient crew, it can be a very effective ship
Not to be rude, but you must not PvP much. I don't care how good you think your YT crew is, four pilots in seperate fighters who know what they are doing will eat you alive without breaking a sweat. Even if you have a 3832 shield and the best armor around there are a lot of player ships out there that can still drop you in one hit. By the same token, a lot of player fighters are going to be able to survive a hit from one of your YT's turrets. Are you honestly trying to make the claim that your YT, with its huge hit profile and limited firepower is a match for four seperate targets that are all smaller, more manueverable, pack more firepower, and have more effective shields and armor? The only way you'd "win" in your YT is if you used e-pulse, or if you used one of the new POB engines and boosters to simply run away.
But we were talking about mining, I thought...not PvP.
Maybe, though when he said "up against" I assumed he was referring to combat. If he was talking about mining, then I would still make the arguement that four players in individual fighters, such as four Krayts, are going to be able to mine much better than those same four in a YT.
Vegitaa
Tue May 17, 2005 8:43 am
#16
I have found that when you load the Y-8 with the "Y-8 specific" components you will see a difference.
I have mine loaded with a mining laser forward, mining laser in the upper turret, and a big nasty cert 10 blaster in the rear on the bottom.
Yes, 4 small mining fighters can do the job faster, there's no doubt of that (I can fill my Oppressors cargo hold with 1550 resources in about 10-15 minutes easily). The benefit of the Y-8 is that you can have that upper turret and forward firing main gun for mining, in adition to the massive cargo hold.
Just means I don't have to land as often. I agree, it's "faster" in a fighter, but it is viable to use the Y-8. I'm currently working on mining enough resources to outfit this ship with all of the new POB ship only components as well as the Y8 only components.
Vegitaa
Tue May 17, 2005 8:45 am
#17
Not to talk smack or anything, but your Y8 wouldn't last 5 seconds against any of my fighters solo. POB ships need some major fixes before they are truly viable in PvP.
KyrYxus wrote:
a gross generalization. I'll put my YT, crew of 4 up against any 4 fighters any day of the week.
Imaridril wrote:
Yeah, but it suffers from the same problem that the other POB ships have, and that is that if you take all of the crew members of a POB ship and put them in their own fighters they can do whatever task the POB ship was trying to do, but better.
Salco wrote:
With a sufficient crew, it can be a very effective ship
Zadioc
Tue May 17, 2005 10:21 am
#18
He's obviously referring to mining not PvP in a Y-8. It prolly does ok mining with a full crew, although I can't imagine how bored these 4 other people would have to be for you to talk them into going "mining" with you. You could pay them to join you, or split resources I guess, leaving you with less asteroids than you could get in a small fighter. This is one pob ship that should be fully functional with 1 person, I just use mine as a more rustic version of the yacht.
Vegitaa
Tue May 17, 2005 11:07 am
#19
Though, I would like to add....
I tried taking all the components from my Decimator and putting them into a Y-8 for the purposes of PvE/PvP.
Amazing how well this thing handles. Honestly, I could see it being almost if not more useful than the current POB's. sure, the firing arc's arent that great but the addition of a forward firing cert 10 blaster sure does help!
Schadwood
Tue May 17, 2005 12:35 pm
#20
When i say it cant mine i mean it cant mine more effectivly that a fighter equiped for mining .. takes me about [roughly] ten minutes to fill my 1550 cargoe hold with the krayt. Most time is spent returning to the starport / unloading / relaunching. Pirates are a joke except for in kessel [I ignore them in any other system.]. The Y-8 should be far more effective at mining than any starfighter ... and untill it is you wont see alot of POB componets for sale. At least not at any price a pilot would "like" to pay. And yes this is a POB ship but its main function is supossed to be "mining asteroid resources" ... and sorry that means it shouldnt take a two man crew to "mine" ... those turrets on top and rear should be for defense.
DarthGorilla
Tue May 17, 2005 1:25 pm
#21
There needs to be a command for /transfercargo. That would make the Y-8 much more useful. It could blast away at astroids while the more nimble support craft could chase the chunks then transfer then cargo to the bigger ships hold.
Yybacca
Tue May 17, 2005 8:36 pm
#22
The Y-8 could have a complement of 'harvest' droids that swarm out and auto collect the resources that you blast off the asteroid. Then it should have a mini factory on board that processes the raw ore into usuable resource.
(I'm thinking of the world devestators from the EU when Luke went to the dark side and served the emperors clone, or the coruscant construction machines from the X-Wing series of novels.)
Make it one huge mobile processing plant that can mine and refine its resources
Allow Gas mining from Nebulae
Radioactives from Stars
Add events during mining, like fishing and sampling on land( or crafting in EQ2 ) where you have to react to whats going on.
Etc etc
Soooo much they can do with this hehe
Narut0
Sun May 22, 2005 5:30 pm
#23
this Y-8 need more automated mining features, cos i can mine 15k of ore in around an hour in my fighter but can't mine diddly squat in my Y-8, the Y-8 is the most impractical ship for minning. :/ maybe if Fighters can dock with it and unload cargo in to it instead of landing and unloading IT might be just that little bit more usefull.
Chameleon257
Sun May 22, 2005 6:00 pm
#24
Just wish the devs would give it back to me. I received the reward unpacked the deed and left it in my data pad went to work the next day came back it was gone from the data pad. along with my tractor beam and my class 2 mining laser I put in it! 
Sucks to be me and now the csrs just told me sorry we cant give you rewards for quests you've completed. I dont want one I completed just want the one I already had in my inventory and unpacked!!
Narut0
Mon May 23, 2005 3:52 am
#25
ok the tractorbeam and laser are no great loss cos you can buy better crafted ones as soon as shippys start makeing them.
anyways heres two helpfull macros
Autotargeting
/ui action targetSelf
/ui action cycleTargetOut
/follow
tractorbeam
/ship weaponGroup toggleTractor
put these two macros in your tool bar and follow these rules.
Rule 1
Only free one chunk from the astroid at a time
Rule 2
use the auto target macro to follow the first astroid chunk that breaks free.
Rule 3
activate your tractorbeam
Rule 4
line up till your directly behind the chunk and matched speed with it.
Rule 5
only fire a few shots to break it up
Rule 6
if any small chunks go stray just hit the auto target to follow them.
rule 7
after mining up all the chunks hit the astroid to repeat the prosess. (you may leave your tractorbeam on)
this will mine you a full hall in minutes.
hope it helps
anyways heres two helpfull macros
Autotargeting
/ui action targetSelf
/ui action cycleTargetOut
/follow
tractorbeam
/ship weaponGroup toggleTractor
put these two macros in your tool bar and follow these rules.
Rule 1
Only free one chunk from the astroid at a time
Rule 2
use the auto target macro to follow the first astroid chunk that breaks free.
Rule 3
activate your tractorbeam
Rule 4
line up till your directly behind the chunk and matched speed with it.
Rule 5
only fire a few shots to break it up
Rule 6
if any small chunks go stray just hit the auto target to follow them.
rule 7
after mining up all the chunks hit the astroid to repeat the prosess. (you may leave your tractorbeam on)
this will mine you a full hall in minutes.
hope it helpsMessage Edited by Narut0 on 05-23-2005 12:34 PM
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