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Chussss

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:39 am

HeartAttack wrote:

Dear All,

Having purchased JTL I wasn't to happy to discover that even if I had earned enough XP points I wasn't able to use them to level up as you have to complete missionsin orderto use your XP's to level up.

Also to complete these missions you have to be in a group with other pilots to help you. This aspect of the game I find very unfair and time consuming. If the missions were solo it wouldn't be so bad.

I cannot understand that the people who are responsible for designing JTL like this actually believe that this is what people would like in a game. Is this their idea of good gameplay,keep spamming or searching around for hours on end to form a group or find Ace pilots?

I dont mind the interaction aspect but not being able to level up unless you complete missions which can only be done in a group which you formed via hours of frustrating spamming or finding an Ace pilot isn't my idea of gameplay. Infact it makes me want to put the game in the cupboard !

What do you think? Let me know

I agree, PVP decay and forced/unfriendly grouping is the worst thing in JTL, i am sure it´s really fun to play grouped, but i know too, that there are a lot of people like me unable to play grouped, sometimes low population in server, or sort time for playing the game, maybe unusual play time...

If someone ask me about buying JTL, i answer...the game is great, engine is nice, yes it´s funny but...do you have a lot of time to play everyday?, do you want to be forced to play in a guild?, do you like to be forced to beg for help?, if not...unfortunately...forget about JTL.

Really i don´t understand Devs, and how they kill their game...it`s just curious.

For the people who love forcing others players to play grouped...sometimes it´s not a question of "i want or not play grouped"...sometimes YOUJUST CANT for a lot of reasons, do you want a desert space just for some guilds?, do you want every casual player look for other game really?...i don´t understand Dev´s...but i don´t understand you neither.

darmokVtS

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:53 am

#15

HeartAttack wrote:
I find it hard to believe that you or other people could actually enjoy sitting around a starship terminal "spamming", or running all over the place looking for pilots willing to help you for hours on end exciting and good gameplay?

I just asked friends, worked fine.

If you don't have any friends in game after you have played for at least half a year you should maybe consider that you did something wrong :-).

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

Sandzibarr

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:11 am

#16

HeartAttack wrote:

Sandzibarr,

I find it hard to believe that you or other people could actually enjoy sitting arounda starship terminal "spamming", or running all over the place looking forpilots willing to help you for hours on end exciting and good gameplay?I find it rather boring as I said before.

But everyone is different.

I guess that aspect of it would be annoying.. but then thats why i joined a guild inorder so that i dont have to spend hours searching for assistance. Its not as if its hard to find a guild either, the majority of them are always open to new recruits.

And if im in space im always willing to assist people who look like theyve bitten off more than they can chew. Makes a nice change from hunting for loot.

But once you get a group combat gets fun. Doing escorts in formation. Flying as a wingman to the mission owner, to keep any fighters off him/her. Co-ordinationg strafing runs on gunboats. Its all good fun.

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Amuro0079

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:21 am

#17

Sandzibarr wrote:

But once you get a group combat gets fun. Doing escorts in formation. Flying as a wingman to the mission owner, to keep any fighters off him/her. Co-ordinationg strafing runs on gunboats. Its all good fun.

That depends onwhat type of combat you'rein and how often you do it. After you've done it a dozen times you won't think it's fun any more.

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Guo - Freelance Master Pilot | Master Medic
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Sandzibarr

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:24 am

#18

different strokes for different folks I guess.

"After you've done it a dozen times you won't think it's fun any more."

Icould say that about almost every aspect of the ground game.

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VolvoSsixtyTsix

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:48 am

#19

Well, I have mixed opinions. It is cool when you got your friends flying and helping you. But when you get to higher levels it becomes search for the pilots with uber ships and weapons to cover you... It is no longer fun, when on the mission you can get destroyed in matter of seconds no matter how good pilot you are . NPCs don't miss when they start shooting you and they are always in greater #. It is reasonable to have 2-5 wingmates... But when you need 10+ wingmates for mission that is assigned directly to U it is BS. I would suggest that if group completes the mission it counts for everyone and everyone gets the credit.

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Cartouche

Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:24 am

#20

Sandzibarr wrote:

grouping is actually the best part of JTL... imho.

I agree. Initially I was against having to group to complete missions, but I've come to think that's it's one of the best designdecisions in a long time. I've made several new friends in the last few weeks. I've helped many people on their way to master, and many havehelped me in return.Completing tier 4 and master missions in a group wasgreat fun--much more fun than the solo grind to 4433, and more fun than I've had in this game in a very long time.

You have to realize that there are many pilots out there just like you, who could use help with their toughest missions and who are looking for wingmen. Personally, I've never had to do any spamming to find pilots to group with. Chatting with people by the starship terminals was enough. BTW, my guild has three active members , so you don't need to be in a huge guild to find wingmen.

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darmokVtS

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:47 am

#21

VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
But when you get to higher levels it becomes search for the pilots with uber ships and weapons to cover you

Nothing 'uber' about my TIE Advanced or my alt's Dunelizard and those are the ships I mostly use when helping others.
Unless you consider "all crafted items but the Tier 3 reward engine and a not-so-great but useful capacitor" as "uber", but then we probably define "uber" slightly different :-).

Message Edited by darmokVtS on 12-07-2004 03:48 PM

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

YarKi

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:21 am

#22

1. You do not have to group for all of the missions. Everything is easilly soloed all the way through tier 2. Depending on your squadron you may be able so solo either all, most or some of tier 3. As a rebel in the Havoc squadron I was able to solo all of tier 3, two of the tier 4 missions, and the first master mission (nobody I know of can solo the corvette and if you can, let me know so I can include you into my pantheon of dieties). As an imperial in the storm squadron I was only able to solo up tio tier 3 and onlytwoof thetier 3 missions. The problem there was mission locations and not missions themselves. The random tier 4 adds in the endor system made these missions a lot harder than they should have been. I always try the mission solo at least once simply because I do not want to bother people with trivial challanges. Having said that....

2. Grouping is what MMOs are all about. If you want to play solo, why not buy X-wing alliance ... or its contemporary equivalent. I thik devs made a massive blunder in making the ground game so solo oriented. I am hoping this will get corrected in the combat rebalance. And I do not understand the sad song about the difficulty of grouping. I've been able to find groups at all hours of the day. Playing during the [north american] day gave me an opportunity to meet some people in the game from Taiwean and Japan.

3.It does not take uber ships to do any of the missions including the corvette (assuming you have a decent sized group that knows what they are doing).

Message Edited by YarKi on 12-07-2004 08:22 AM

Amuro0079

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:34 am

#23

Grouping isn't what MMOs are all about; it's just one aspect of MMOs. I've played other MMOs and none of them require you to group in order to level/advance. You sure will level a lot faster if you group with other playersespecially higher level folks, but it can still be done solo, just takes longer. Currently, the advancement missions in JtL are not very group friendly. The only one mission that's actually group friendly is the final master corvette destroy mission where everyone can take the mission at the same time and get the credit for the kill.

Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 12-08-2004 12:35 AM

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Stubi

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:36 am

#24

I got to chime in on this “Forced Grouping Sucks”. I soloed up to my master pilot box and I will probably solo all the way and yes it can be done, but a persons advancement shouldn’t depend on whether you feel generous enough to help them out because that is just plain wrong. Grouping is great when you want to be grouped but when it’s forced it really sucks.

Everyone wants to get rid of Starport spam not add to it. You say that pilots who need help sit for hours on end at the Starport spamming “Someone please help me with my mission” while the other players at the starport shout “Shut Up and stop spamming”. Go to Corellia and see the spam there and see the lag as a result of the spam. So no pilots shouldn’t sit at the starport and spam for help, lets just remove the forced grouping and lets not add to the spam problem thats already there.

Sylia

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:52 am

#25

Cuality wrote:

i soloed storm squadron. if you cannot solo the pilot missions then perhaps you either need to bone up on your piloting skills (i.e. twitch) or get some friends. Friends are easier to buy than skills.

That's got to be the biggest steaming pile of B.S. I've seen in a long time.

Just asnwer this, how many of your alt's where flying along with you when you "soloed" them all?

There are 2 Storm Squad missions that simply can't be solo'd, I know because I spent 3 weeks trying.

... Back to the topic at hand ...

I love grouping for space missions, the more the better. It's FUN grouping on missions, no matter what mission it is.

Yet since JTL released I've had a grand total of ... 2 groups.

Two groups, that's all I've been able to get into for missions. I spent all last weekend spamming LFG messages from one starport to the next, I even set up my toon to spam a message when I was offline to send an E-mail and giving times I'd be back on.

Requiring groups is fine ... but not when the game is so barren you can't find groups, not when thegames search functions are such garbage that your search target has to be standing next to you for it to register.

Bottom line is finding groups in many cases is far more challenging and time consuming than the actual missions.

FIX THE SPACE UI

darmokVtS

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:05 pm

#26

Amuro0079 wrote:
The NPC AI has been changed several times... you know what I mean.

All I have seen is that it was made *easier* :/.

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

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