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Thread: PLEASE... change the AI back to the way it was.
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Uther27
Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:21 am
#14
Hey guys, I hate to break it to you, but they really didn't change the AI. They just bumped up the NPC speed across the board. I'd say the Tier 4 light class ships are pushing 900-950 in combat, and the others are incrementally down from there, but not by much. That is all that I have noticed, when I am running my 92.8 engine they act the same, when I'm running a slower engine they get into that "joust" mode, but they did that even before this patch, it was just at slower speeds.
I'd say it sounds like speed needs to be tweaked downon lower tier stuff, but I'd rather keep it the same at Tier 4 and up. Also as a side note, I was running tier 3 missions with some guildies last night, and they did not seem to be having any problems... then again we weren't soloing either. That whole darn group thing.
Maxila
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:07 pm
#15
It's not the A.I. It's the speed and yes teir 5 ships are too dam fast now.
FuryoftheStars
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:13 pm
#16
Siaro wrote:
Uther27 wrote:
Hey guys, I hate to break it to you, but they really didn't change the AI. They just bumped up the NPC speed across the board.
I have to say that I believe this to be the case. I don't think AI tactics changed much. The ships are way faster though so its hard to get on their tail and they have the speed to joust.
Yeah, I was gonna say... I haven't noticed any difference in AI. I was fighting a continuous spawn of TIEs for 3 hrs the day before the patch, then I went back out for another 4 yesterday and they were still doing the same exact things as the day before. They have been doing the swoop out of range then come back at ya head on since day 1.
Mallize
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:47 pm
#17
if it's speed it made the tier 4 ties act totally different. they used to stay in 3 or 4 groups, each circling you on a different axis, trying to get behind you. now they fly out 600m and turn around and come STRAIGHT at you.
whoever said i just needed to practice didn't read my post... i think it's EASIER now.. just boring. i don't have to move, just turn around as they fly by. it's extremely easy to take them out because i land every shot as they fly by me.
if it's not an AI change then the need to adjust the AI to accomadate the new speed changes.
Blackjack_Nova
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:52 pm
#19
The new AI needs some work. BIG TIME! Combat went from being fun to being work. Please do not delay, get this sorted out ASAP.
Blackjack Nova
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Warp1001
Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:36 pm
#20
I wouldn'tt saythe new AIsucks because that's not productive and I doubt will change anything.
But I am not an arcade gamer... I won't tell my age but I was out of school long before Pong hit the market.
But I am not an arcade gamer... I won't tell my age but I was out of school long before Pong hit the market.
Even so I was enjoying JTL before yesterdays publish... I felt it completed the game and is a worthy expansion.
I had just started on my 4433 mission when this publish hit.
Now I know a lot of people have mastered pilot already but for me to get to 4433 in an arcade type game has been a real challenge.
Right now, I can't seem to target any thing for more then a second or two.
I seem to be forced into using my fastest ship to keep up and still can't chase down tier 4 ships.
The fun factor has almost disapeared in regards to JTL.
Even though I changed my tactics it takes much longer now to get my kills.
I do hope they change it back but I know that the market these games are made for are probably for those with a lot less years on them then me.
A game that's challenging to me is no challenge to my 14 year old nephew.
Well, I guess I could have my 14 year old nephew get me to master pilot but what's the point now?
Mallize
Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:04 pm
#21
well.... i gave it another shot tonight. i figured out i could destroy tier 4 ties in one pass. again, it's not that it's harder for me, it's just that i don't enjoy it at all.
i know mmo's change, but i keep thinking of it like.... i buy a new sports car. i love the way it drives, handles, etc. then one day i go out to drive my car and it runs like a mini van. there was no discussion of changing the way the AI behaved(even if they didn't change the AI, it appears that way regardless if it is because of a speed change).
i just want my FUN game back.
/hopes
meeuki
Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:05 am
#22
JehuBBR wrote:
JTLS is currently unplayable due to the AI tweaks.
not good.
wrong.
Poktal
Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:35 am
#23
I Agree with the orignal poster the AI sucks now they go out 600m turn around and come back BORING atleast there was a type of Dog fighting before its slow.. Before the Tier 4 duty mission for the Alliance killing the Black Suns its soo slow now that i couldnt get through even the first wave of ships because it took so long and it ended the mission,
I dont need someone telling me i need practice because I had done this mission over and over before they changed something drastically the whole feel of Space Combat is slow and boring.. It was fine now they made it like work Just like they did with the ground game...
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