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Thread: [SA] Entering deep space as overt ?
GlargTheKelfn
Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:43 am
#14
here is what i understood, i might be completely wrong but:
as privateer, (reb / imp) to go overt in ds:
go to faction station of your side (reb if reb etc) and declare.
then
go to the privateer station that grants access to deep space / kessel
you will enter as overt for whichever side.
the faction stations will let you declare, but not give you passage, only your own branch (reb / imp / priv) station can give you that.
as privateer, (reb / imp) to go overt in ds:
go to faction station of your side (reb if reb etc) and declare.
then
go to the privateer station that grants access to deep space / kessel
you will enter as overt for whichever side.
the faction stations will let you declare, but not give you passage, only your own branch (reb / imp / priv) station can give you that.
SheenaBrelya
Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:28 pm
#15
Rebel colonel | master smuggler & pistoleer | master privateer pilot
[Selling Faction points and faction military stuffs]
I just have a hard time feeling sorry for you. You are a Colonel in the Rebel Army, but you choose to go Freelance instead of Alliance Air Corps. Despite not being a factioned pilot, you are given the ablilty to earn Faction Points in space. Despite Kessel being almost entirely a Rebel versus Imperial space sector and you being a Freelance pilot, you are allowed to earn faction there. Not only that, but you are a Freelance pilot so you have the ability to fight in Kessel with everything except Pirates starting as Yellow, in effect giving you a 'first shot' at whatever you choose to engage in combat. I am a Freelance pilot, too, and I have made full use of the benefits. I will not, though, get 'bummed' because, as a Freelance pilot, I'm not given every 'Faction War' option available to factioned pilots. Honestly, I think the benefits of being Freelance should be slightly tuned down, if anything.
As always, it's just my opinion.
Good hunting, what/whoever you chose to hunt.
Shona
Marzuk147
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:46 pm
#16
"I just have a hard time feeling sorry for you. You are a Colonel in the Rebel Army, but you choose to go Freelance instead of Alliance Air Corps."
Yeah, someone wanted to be like han solo pretty much, go figure wouldnt expect that in a star wars game.
"Despite not being a factioned pilot, you are given the ablilty to earn Faction Points in space."
Freelance pilots just go where they get paid do they not? In getting paid, you will earn browny points for whoever you work for, no big mystery there.
"Despite Kessel being almost entirely a Rebel versus Imperial space sector and you being a Freelance pilot, you are allowed to earn faction there."
Everyone else can earn faction there as well.
"Not only that, but you are a Freelance pilot so you have the ability to fight in Kessel with everything except Pirates starting as Yellow, in effect giving you a 'first shot' at whatever you choose to engage in combat."
If you go in overt, one side will be red, the other side white.. if not overt, then you can not earn faction. You dont get to have it both ways really.
"I am a Freelance pilot, too, and I have made full use of the benefits. I will not, though, get 'bummed' because, as a Freelance pilot, I'm not given every 'Faction War' option available to factioned pilots."
And why should you not get every benifit?
"Honestly, I think the benefits of being Freelance should be slightly tuned down, if anything."
Yeah, lets just make it so that no one is a freelance pilot, wtg.
Yeah, someone wanted to be like han solo pretty much, go figure wouldnt expect that in a star wars game.
"Despite not being a factioned pilot, you are given the ablilty to earn Faction Points in space."
Freelance pilots just go where they get paid do they not? In getting paid, you will earn browny points for whoever you work for, no big mystery there.
"Despite Kessel being almost entirely a Rebel versus Imperial space sector and you being a Freelance pilot, you are allowed to earn faction there."
Everyone else can earn faction there as well.
"Not only that, but you are a Freelance pilot so you have the ability to fight in Kessel with everything except Pirates starting as Yellow, in effect giving you a 'first shot' at whatever you choose to engage in combat."
If you go in overt, one side will be red, the other side white.. if not overt, then you can not earn faction. You dont get to have it both ways really.
"I am a Freelance pilot, too, and I have made full use of the benefits. I will not, though, get 'bummed' because, as a Freelance pilot, I'm not given every 'Faction War' option available to factioned pilots."
And why should you not get every benifit?
"Honestly, I think the benefits of being Freelance should be slightly tuned down, if anything."
Yeah, lets just make it so that no one is a freelance pilot, wtg.
SheenaBrelya
Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:16 pm
#17
Freelance pilots just go where they get paid do they not? In getting paid, you will earn browny points for whoever you work for, no big mystery there.
You canconsider Freelancers as mercenaries, if you wish.I do not know why you believe that either side in a war would give mercenaries promotions for completing tasks that they are getting paid for perfroming. You receive loot, experience, and credits for your kills - to expect faction points when you are neither an Imperial or Alliance pilot is asking a lot, in my opinion. I don't mean to complain about the system, but I believe Freelancers have been given a gift and I do not like it when people complain that the gift was not good enough.
Everyone else can earn faction there as well.
By 'everyone else,' I assume you mean Alliance and Imperial pilots. The fact that factioned pilots get faction points does not, in my opinion, mean that therefore Freelance pilots should of course get faction points. There is obviously more to the debate, but I do not believe that statement by itself is enough.
If you go in overt, one side will be red, the other side white.. if not overt, then you can not earn faction. You dont get to have it both ways really
I was not sure if this was the case, so I attempted to word it without stating that you will get both at the same time. The choice itself is more than Factioned pilots will ever get.
And why should you not get every benifit?
Because you made the decision to join a Neutralgroup. You chose to not join the Alliance Navy. You chose to not join the Imperial Navy. I believe that choice should have consequences relevant to the Galactic Civil War. There are consequences, of course, but why do you feel that Factioned pilots should have no benefits not available to Neutrals?
Yeah, lets just make it so that no one is a freelance pilot, wtg.
I do not advocate becoming a Freelance pilot because you get all the perks of a Factioned pilots with some great additional bonuses. If that is the case, why would anyone join the Factioned Navies? I believe there should be more differences to the three than simply the types of ships.
Maybe it's just me.
Shona
Eulbobo
Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:13 am
#18
Only bad point i see
Privateer CAN go overt right now in space and gain Faction Points....
But doing this, they are exposed to other Overt ennemis.... and decay for the components if the die....
Factional pilots can access an area where they can gain FP without any decay threat (since exiting deep space repairs all your ship for free and without decay)...
Other problem : Deep space has tier 5 ennemies.... Tons of ennemies.... You can almost kill on every 20 seconds....
You can't find any spot worth it in classical space.... or in kessel (since spawn rate is quite strange)
Do you still think it's fair? Factional pilots can gain FP faster... why not... But why are they the only one to benefit the "no threat" zone access in order to do it?
Privateer CAN go overt right now in space and gain Faction Points....
But doing this, they are exposed to other Overt ennemis.... and decay for the components if the die....
Factional pilots can access an area where they can gain FP without any decay threat (since exiting deep space repairs all your ship for free and without decay)...
Other problem : Deep space has tier 5 ennemies.... Tons of ennemies.... You can almost kill on every 20 seconds....
You can't find any spot worth it in classical space.... or in kessel (since spawn rate is quite strange)
Do you still think it's fair? Factional pilots can gain FP faster... why not... But why are they the only one to benefit the "no threat" zone access in order to do it?
kethvalar
Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:28 am
#19
To Shona,
I'm not complaining. I'm just asking several questions and I'd like to have some answers. I'm playing since 2 years (in few days) and i've always played a smuggler / pistoleer / alliance officier on the ground. that's for roleplay reasons and when JTL arrived, i've built my roleplay around the Tenloss Syndicate (which is a pirate and smuggler coaliation in UE) to have a continuity with Valar's background. As well, i was able to pilot as an Alliance recruit but -whatever i'm not playing Han Solo - I assumed to played my Smuggler role in space.
Then, i don't ask ALL the benefits in game. It seems to me logical than factionned pilots (Alliance or Rebel ones) on the ground (Corsec or RSF by example) are able to PVP / gain faction points in space. What's the matter about this ?
The real only benefit for freelance pilot is the YT spaceship, dont u think ? What else ?
Following you feeling, why does Imperial and Alliance pilots have Cargo vessels like Decimator or Nova ? is that too much benefit also ?
Have you ever seen freelance pilots bringing help to imperial or rebel on the ground or in space ? seems always logical for me to do...? Can you imagine freelance pilots will be paid, like space mercenaries, doing fight with opposite faction (then choose whothay want to helpor fight ?) and then get rewards to ?
I'm sorrybut i stillcan't understand what are the FAMOUS benefits you're talking about for freelance? All pilots gets space loots don't they ?
Why I'm not able to enter in deep space as a Rebel if I'm a Rebel (ok, ok I know there's no continuity between space and ground...^^) ? Why the Rebel station allowed me to have a overt Alliance status and then don't let me pass though Deep Space ? In this case, why can I declare overt ? Just to go to Kessel and not Deep Space ?Did youread somewhere that Freelance pilots can't access to a PVP zone and gain as other some factions points accordingto their faction...
I just do not understand why we do not have a factionnal access to the PVP zone...
If someone of the SOE team read this thread, i'd like to have a professionnal game design answer....
Message Edited by kethvalar on 02-09-2005 02:55 AM
Ewene
Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:54 am
#20
*edit ignore, I saw now that others tried my suggestion already*
Message Edited by Ewene on 02-09-2005 04:56 PM
Kaiyn
Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:05 am
#21
Greetings fellow pilots. This thread has brought up a question, shed some light for me please. I am 4444 Neut, about to do my master runs, and have been looking forward to some PvP action in Deep Space. Since I have never entered DS, I'm not sure how it works. I have thought (and please correct me if I am wrong), that the only way to PvP in space is to declare and fly to DS. As a Neut, if I am unable to Declare (on either side) and enter, I am not able to PvP in space? Is this correct? Fill me in please so I don't waste a lot of time trying and aggravation at not being able to go.
Eulbobo
Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:13 pm
#22
....
TO BE CLEAR
In order to enter deep space as privateer, you have to go to dathomir station when master and with 30k prestige xp....
You choose your side there BUT you don't gain FP from ships you destroy... And you can enjoy PvP there...
If you go to a factional base and declare yourself, you can get FP from dead faction ennemies.... BUT can't enter deep space...
Dathomir station would tell you that declared are not welcomed and faction station says you miss prestige XP (even if you don't)
Is it clear for everyone?
TO BE CLEAR
In order to enter deep space as privateer, you have to go to dathomir station when master and with 30k prestige xp....
You choose your side there BUT you don't gain FP from ships you destroy... And you can enjoy PvP there...
If you go to a factional base and declare yourself, you can get FP from dead faction ennemies.... BUT can't enter deep space...
Dathomir station would tell you that declared are not welcomed and faction station says you miss prestige XP (even if you don't)
Is it clear for everyone?
Kaiyn
Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:16 pm
#23
OK, thanks, but what is this prestige xp? I am not familiar with that.
SheenaBrelya
Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:29 pm
#25
Then, i don't ask ALL the benefits in game. It seems to me logical than factionned pilots (Alliance or Rebel ones) on the ground (Corsec or RSF by example) are able to PVP / gain faction points in space. What's the matter about this ?
To me, it makes sense that Imperial and Rebel Army soldiers should be able to earn faction points when fighting opposite side npcs on the ground. When you became a pilot, though, you chose to not join your faction in space. Why should the Imperial Navy treat an RSF, CorSec, or Smuggler's Alliance pilot the same as they treat their own Imperial Pilot Corps? Your answer, as far as I understand, is because you are an Imperial Army serviceman (yeah, you're a Rebel, same point). You have been given the ability to join the Imperial or Alliance Navies, so if you chose not to join them then I believe there should be limits on your ability to act like a factioned pilot. It seems only right (to me) that factioned Navies treat their members much better than Freelancers that may or may not lean towards one Faction or the other.
Rather than a discussion about whether or not Freelancers should get faction privileges in space, think of it as what benefit should factioned pilots get by making such an obvious choice to support their faction rather than becoming a 'neutral' pilot.
Why I'm not able to enter in deep space as a Rebel if I'm a Rebel (ok, ok I know there's no continuity between space and ground...^^) ? Why the Rebel station allowed me to have a overt Alliance status and then don't let me pass though Deep Space ? In this case, why can I declare overt ?
You are not a member of the Alliance Navy, what exactly does the Alliance Navy owe you? You have the ability to resign your position and join the Alliance Navy at any time, showing your devotion to your faction.
I consider a Freelancer's ability to go 'overt' a gift - despite not choosing to join your faction's Navy, you have been given the ability to fight in space along with members of the faction to shoot down enemy faction ships. I do not begrudge you this ability and I do not advocate its removal. I question, though, why you feel you deserve even more.
Just to go to Kessel and not Deep Space ?Did youread somewhere that Freelance pilots can't access to a PVP zone and gain as other some factions points accordingto their faction...
As far as I know, it may be as simple as an oversight. Kessel was intended to be a PvP zone and there are still examples of the former moniker in the game. How players get into Kessel and/or DS could be modified at any time. I would never presume to say that the current state of the game is exactly what the developers had in mind and that everything is working as intended and that nothing will be or should be changed. I do not presume to imply that my opinions are shared by anyone at SOE.
I just do not understand why we do not have a factionnal access to the PVP zone...
Neither do I. The difference is that I do not understand why a Freelancer deserves it.
Shona
MonsofoLexius
Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:44 am
#26
Eulbobo wrote:
....
TO BE CLEAR
In order to enter deep space as privateer, you have to go to dathomir "Last Nav" stationafter youmaster and with 30k pilot prestige xp.... You choose your side there BUT you don't gain FP from ships you destroy in deep space... And you can enjoy perma-overt PvP while there...
If you go to a factional base and declare yourself, you can get FP from dead faction ennemies.... BUT can't enter deep space... but you are Overt and PvP enabled anywhere in space.
The reason you can not enter Deep Space as an overt is Dathomir "Last Nav" station will tell you that declared "Rebel or Imperial" pilots are not welcomed there. The faction stations says youdo not haveprestige point for that faction as there are "Pilot" ,"Rebel" and "Imperial" Pretige for each faction and you only earn Pilot Prestige as a privateer.
Is it clear for everyone?
Added a tiny bit and QFE
Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 02-09-2005 12:48 PM