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Slarus wrote:

The Devs did a great job in giving a GCW without forcing people to PvP, it give EVERY player choice, is it realistic nope but that wasn't the point.

City of Heroes was crowned PC/Console Game of the Year and Multiplayer Game of the Year, ZERO PvP

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But people moan about the state of GCW all the time so it's not such a great job, is it? Also I've played CoH. It's fun.... for a while.... then it gets boring. PvP in it would be fantastic!!!!

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Slarus wrote:

Well perhaps i should have said the RISK of pvp rather than having to pvp. Leave people this risk, but give them the option to grind the xp the PvE way, allowing for consentual pvp like you want. How is this not an agreeable solution?

Or just declare Overt and have it the same mission, no need for two ways, overt is pointless to you people who WANT PvP will declare if not then they did not really want to PvP.

You would have to search for some time to find someone overt, it does NOT work the same as the ground which was boosted by the tef system. Quit clinging to this one flimsy point, we are in agreement about PvP being consentual.

Overtness is pointless, ive explained this enough times it needs no further explaining, oh and yes i believe in consentual pvp, i just want my pvp zone back. Because just like you should have the right not to pvp, i should have the right to be able to.

No you haven't explained it, you declared it pointless there is a difference. You'll never prove you cant PvP when you can declare being Overt, it may not be convienent for you but it allows you the choice it doesn't prevent you from PvPing. You can declare, try it out before you declare it pointless and it is only until they fix the mission and get kessel back to PvP.

Perhaps they will change kessel back to pvp like it should be, i respect you becuase your all about keeping promises. I have tried it out .. traveled for 4 hours, not a single pvper. If you go to kessel you get attacked within 30 minutes. This proves (reasonably at least) that pvp is wanted, just not on the terms of the flawed overt/covert system.

I want your PvP zone back but you can't claim something that doesnt exsist PvP is still in game, it was not taken away.

Open zone pvp was taken away from everyone that isn't master, overts, or people who dont want to play in a laggy zone. The overt system has conceptual flaws that make it next to useless

I can't wait for Kessel to go back to PvP, so you shut up, your whinning, you have no basis other then saying Kessel should be returned to PvP, but YOU can still PvP in the mean time, whinning about NO PvP is a lie you have PvP you just dont like having to do it that way at least you'd be honest if you put it that way but you lie instead.

I would love for it to go back to pvp and shutup. I am not whinning im debating. I think Kessel should be returned to pvp yes, whats your point? Point out to me where i said there is no more pvp please, i do not believe i said that. I do not like using the conceptually flawed and basically useless covert/overt system, again your point being?

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a1davida1 wrote:

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Slarus wrote:

Well perhaps i should have said the RISK of pvp rather than having to pvp. Leave people this risk, but give them the option to grind the xp the PvE way, allowing for consentual pvp like you want. How is this not an agreeable solution?

Or just declare Overt and have it the same mission, no need for two ways, overt is pointless to you people who WANT PvP will declare if not then they did not really want to PvP.

You would have to search for some time to find someone overt, it does NOT work the same as the ground which was boosted by the tef system. Quit clinging to this one flimsy point, we are in agreement about PvP being consentual.

Overtness is pointless, ive explained this enough times it needs no further explaining, oh and yes i believe in consentual pvp, i just want my pvp zone back. Because just like you should have the right not to pvp, i should have the right to be able to.

No you haven't explained it, you declared it pointless there is a difference. You'll never prove you cant PvP when you can declare being Overt, it may not be convienent for you but it allows you the choice it doesn't prevent you from PvPing. You can declare, try it out before you declare it pointless and it is only until they fix the mission and get kessel back to PvP.

Perhaps they will change kessel back to pvp like it should be, i respect you becuase your all about keeping promises. I have tried it out .. traveled for 4 hours, not a single pvper. If you go to kessel you get attacked within 30 minutes. This proves (reasonably at least) that pvp is wanted, just not on the terms of the flawed overt/covert system.

I want your PvP zone back but you can't claim something that doesnt exsist PvP is still in game, it was not taken away.

Open zone pvp was taken away from everyone that isn't master, overts, or people who dont want to play in a laggy zone. The overt system has conceptual flaws that make it next to useless

I can't wait for Kessel to go back to PvP, so you shut up, your whinning, you have no basis other then saying Kessel should be returned to PvP, but YOU can still PvP in the mean time, whinning about NO PvP is a lie you have PvP you just dont like having to do it that way at least you'd be honest if you put it that way but you lie instead.

I would love for it to go back to pvp and shutup. I am not whinning im debating. I think Kessel should be returned to pvp yes, whats your point? Point out to me where i said there is no more pvp please, i do not believe i said that. I do not like using the conceptually flawed and basically useless covert/overt system, again your point being?

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heres the funny thing about color spam , ITS ANNOYING . try actualy putting the quote key to use and make your damn message under it

1. The devs rarely stick to their word on things. Fortunately this time they were smart enough to not be steadfast on a bad idea. They thought permadeath (or whatever you want to call it) for jedi was a good idea too.

2. If you think you should have two PvP zones, fine have them add another zone (actually add about 5 more zones the high end content is horribly lacking). Kessel isn't consensual PvP, its griefing. If you want consensual PvP go overt and fly around somewhere. Kessel has no noteworthy content to be worth playing with other than master missions. The first week or so kessel was viable as an xping place because there wasn't any PvP there. It also made the corvettes really easy. Now if you're master all you really have to do solo is hang around in kessel and blow up non masters doing missions. This is not content.

People who want PvP can go overt,they shouldn't try and inflict it on the vast majority of players who don't want it (that or they should have red and blue servers but given EQ2 and WoW I suspect its too late for red and blue servers).

/sign.

Give the whiners their 7.5 million exp grind with a badge that says "I can fly in circles - I demand Master status!!!"

/cry - I was so hoping I could get to Master before they did this and ruined it but no... the whiners win once more.

Devs, you had the right idea - however Deep Space is on the PvE list next. They'll be demanding to Solo the ISD next and before you say a word Slarus I've seen the screenies from folk I believe could do it... You all won guys, now go cheer and grab yourself your flying in circles badge.