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Thread: [Petition] Don't add a snare to cloak, insted add a timer !
gawd, turn off the forum /force whine
they are trying to balance jedi out so you all stop running and hiding, you've annoyed everyone with these tactics. All you guys do is whine whine whine.
i aint whining i stand up for what i would like , why stand back and watch my jedi skills go down the drain
master_loy wrote:
gawd, turn off the forum /force whine
they are trying to balance jedi out so you all stop running and hiding, you've annoyed everyone with these tactics. All you guys do is whine whine whine.
KRAKEN666 wrote:
this is the type of post that gets us into trouble....you are willing to comprimise on your nerf...thats not helping our proffesion one bit. its wrong what they are doing to it and they know it. so dont make them feel better about doing something to it by comprimising. we have comprimised ourselves back to the stone age for jedi.
Well see ...... you don't make sense. This isn't a battle of "who should have the I win button". Simply cloak is being abused as it is, but snare will totally kill the skill. A timer will prevent it from being abused while still keeping its original purpose valid.
Message Edited by Zabba on 10-11-2005 07:43 AM
Zabba wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
this is the type of post that gets us into trouble....you are willing to comprimise on your nerf...thats not helping our proffesion one bit. its wrong what they are doing to it and they know it. so dont make them feel better about doing something to it by comprimising. we have comprimised ourselves back to the stone age for jedi.
Well see ...... you don't make sense. This isn't a battle of "who should have the I win button". Simply cloak is being abused as it is, but snare will totally kill the skill. A timer will prevent it from being abused while still keeping its original purpose valid.
Message Edited by Zabba on 10-11-2005 07:43 AM
zabba, you may be correct, assuming that you are just a cloak dabbler and that the rest of your template involves large chunks of defender and/or lightsaber. the problem here is that escaping combat, DURING COMBAT, is a vital aspect of utilizing master powers. powers has no defense, not even the saber block that ls gets. top that off with the fact that most powers users use enhancer heavily to offset the extreme force costs and lack of dps of powers.
too many jedi are viewing cloak within the broader context of non-powers based templates and are ignoring its role as a vital part of POWERS. powers is characterized by poor dps, poor defenses, and being rooted in place by nearly every move. being able to cloak and uncloak as needed while in combat is the only thing powers has that offsets, at least in small part, all of the negatives of powers. please dont make up ideas about fixing cloak that do not take into account the overall borkedness of powers.
besides, the upcoming changes to forcerun when snared will go a long way to making it very difficult to actually get out of range to be able to use cloak (yes, atm you cant have an enemy targetted, either on purpose or auto-target, and you have to be at least a certain distance away to use cloak. seems like about 20m). trust me, there is NO NEED to hammer away on it further.
geez, maybe they should just move cloak to the master box.
Zabba wrote:
I really would like to bring this up someone's attention, maybe DEVs will atleast here it. It is understansable that Force Cloak is being abused as a way to escape pvp without much risk. Yes the Snare being added to it will help this issue, but it totally break cloak and make it useless ! Why not add a feature where the player MUST be out of combat to be able to cloak. Just like how you have to be out of combat to /sit. In addition add a 30secs timer, you need to stay out of combat for 30secs before being able to cloak. Atleast this way the skill may be used as a scout, as first strike yet it will not be abused. The snare will totally make cloak useless
thats even worse idea, i would greatly choose snare, then 30 sec being uncombat timer. are you sucide maniac or something?
HashiEno wrote:
Zabba wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
this is the type of post that gets us into trouble....you are willing to comprimise on your nerf...thats not helping our proffesion one bit. its wrong what they are doing to it and they know it. so dont make them feel better about doing something to it by comprimising. we have comprimised ourselves back to the stone age for jedi.
Well see ...... you don't make sense. This isn't a battle of "who should have the I win button". Simply cloak is being abused as it is, but snare will totally kill the skill. A timer will prevent it from being abused while still keeping its original purpose valid.
Message Edited by Zabba on 10-11-2005 07:43 AM
zabba, you may be correct, assuming that you are just a cloak dabbler and that the rest of your template involves large chunks of defender and/or lightsaber. the problem here is that escaping combat, DURING COMBAT, is a vital aspect of utilizing master powers. powers has no defense, not even the saber block that ls gets. top that off with the fact that most powers users use enhancer heavily to offset the extreme force costs and lack of dps of powers. Cloak was never inteded to be a escape skill though .....it was just abused .... Nope I don't have cloak at all as a matter of fact. However I find it stupid for jedi with cloak to be snared ...cloak was ment to be used for scouting and getting first strike offence. A Master Powers shouldn't be on the front lines fighting in the place. their job is to hide and start their ofence from point blank range.
too many jedi are viewing cloak within the broader context of non-powers based templates and are ignoring its role as a vital part of POWERS. powers is characterized by poor dps, poor defenses, and being rooted in place by nearly every move. being able to cloak and uncloak as needed while in combat is the only thing powers has that offsets, at least in small part, all of the negatives of powers. please dont make up ideas about fixing cloak that do not take into account the overall borkedness of powers. I was dueling a master powers last night and to be honest ....he was doing very well against me. We were goign toe to toe and he lasted longer than 99% of jedi on my server last against me. He was using FR and keeping his distance the entire fight coming in for few strikes and pulling back when needed. His DPS was great too. However the fight went my way because by the time he was out of force .. I had only used 1/4th of my force. I totally agree with force cost on powers being divided by 3 to balance them out. It would have been intresting to see how our fight would have gone if he didn't have such a crazy force costs.
besides, the upcoming changes to forcerun when snared will go a long way to making it very difficult to actually get out of range to be able to use cloak (yes, atm you cant have an enemy targetted, either on purpose or auto-target, and you have to be at least a certain distance away to use cloak. seems like about 20m). trust me, there is NO NEED to hammer away on it further.
How possibly are you going to keep up with your group, scout and get first strike while you are snared the entire time ???? That is the main purpose of the skill .... not use it to escape.
geez, maybe they should just move cloak to the master box.
Message Edited by Zabba on 10-11-2005 08:03 AM