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Thread: How can be a FRS pvp based ...? TEST INSIDE
lajduke wrote:
I hope its like it used to be, Knight=Permaovert. Thats the ultamate risk for the ultamate power.
i hope too
jonstraf wrote:
Bahamut_farstar wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Well i have a power's temp, i can drop mls/mdefs or mls/mehancers relativity easy, those who beat me , either gank me, use AI , or are speed capped/accuracy capped, so in honesty i think i do well, personally i don't want ppl looking at me and thinking, oh yeay another blow up doll fotm mdef.
I want them to see me using power's and dropping fotm temp's, and thinking WOW, you don't actually have to be the same as the other thousand's of jedi on this server.
You practice enough, you can be effective, im not saying you can beat everyone, because you can't, but if ppl knew my temp on my server, they would be amazed how i beat anyone in pvp, and i don't have tree full's of def
I'm not saying it's impossible, and you are just proving my point further. My point, is that standing there with no defender expecting to tank a MDEF/MLS no problem, is the problem.
Can't see it's a problem personally, as ive sacrificed my defence's for power's, and it's not my problem if ppl can't pvp.
RKO wrote:
RKO wrote:
THEsmuggla wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Yeah i know my template is support template.
for those of u that think mls mp is a support template your wrong its a dmg over def template.
the dmg i can dish out should balance out that fact that i have no def
Actually i have to AGREE with you!
finaly someone sees the light
That would be because he is your template and he wants to be overpowered. You guys keep forgetting that we are one profession here. You are support. Just get it in your head. I think your damage does come a bit short of what it should but in any sense, think about it in real warfare. You are support, like artillery. Tanks are lighter but still pretty defensive and offensively strong. If a tank is a mile from you, say goodbye to the tank. But when that tank gets within 100 yards, you can say good night. That's the way it should be. The reason powers isn't so very strong like it should be, is people could just get MPowers and MDefender with 4000 healer and be purely sufficient in all areas. They would do super damage, tank like no other, and be able to heal sufficiently.
Bahamut_farstar wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
Bahamut_farstar wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Well i have a power's temp, i can drop mls/mdefs or mls/mehancers relativity easy, those who beat me , either gank me, use AI , or are speed capped/accuracy capped, so in honesty i think i do well, personally i don't want ppl looking at me and thinking, oh yeay another blow up doll fotm mdef.
I want them to see me using power's and dropping fotm temp's, and thinking WOW, you don't actually have to be the same as the other thousand's of jedi on this server.
You practice enough, you can be effective, im not saying you can beat everyone, because you can't, but if ppl knew my temp on my server, they would be amazed how i beat anyone in pvp, and i don't have tree full's of def
I'm not saying it's impossible, and you are just proving my point further. My point, is that standing there with no defender expecting to tank a MDEF/MLS no problem, is the problem.
Can't see it's a problem personally, as ive sacrificed my defence's for power's, and it's not my problem if ppl can't pvp.In my experience, ppl who are mdef's are ppl who can't pvp, that's why they need AI.I saw one guy in tatooine having a friendly duel with a tkm , and he had to use AI to avoid being made a fool out of.Im sorry, but i don't see why mixed temp's should be weaker , because duel temp's or fotm mdef's need there i win button, and if your suggesting that mdef's shouldn't be touched by anyone, but mpower's should sit there and be a light show for ppl in eisley, then you couldn't be further from the truth imo.We didn't see the emperor's lighting bouncing of yoda in the film's, and im just taking a wild guess that he would probably have the lv4 lightning tree
No but we did see him catch and and toss it right back...We also saw Windu deflect it fairly easily with LS. But we don't see this ingame. I never said master defenders should own. They are defenders, and they should be. I honestly feel that defender should be done away with and defenses scattered around with primary defense in LS. But that's another story.
Maby i have to take 4xx4 Enhncer , use +Snare+ and +Root+, kite the jedi from 32 Metersthen Force Run2 KD and kill.
It would be possible if they raise a little the powers dmg output...but ill have to try this tactic....i need a respec now LOL
Message Edited by THEsmuggla on 10-25-2005 12:18 PM
i am not asking to tank the sarcifice we make to have no def should be made up in offensive, which we have both that jedi has to offer(mls /mp). 1 on 1 the 2 should balance out and come down to skills and first strike. A mls/ Mdef should not be able to out dmg me and i should not be able to out tank them.U guys have the ablility to tank we do not yet have the offensive power that we should.
U r trying to say that 2 offenses masteries should not be equal to or great then 1 defenses mastery. That makes no sense.
RKO wrote:
RKO wrote:
THEsmuggla wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Yeah i know my template is support template.
for those of u that think mls mp is a support template your wrong its a dmg over def template.
the dmg i can dish out should balance out that fact that i have no def
Actually i have to AGREE with you!
finaly someone sees the light
That would be because he is your template and he wants to be overpowered. You guys keep forgetting that we are one profession here. You are support. Just get it in your head. I think your damage does come a bit short of what it should but in any sense, think about it in real warfare. You are support, like artillery. Tanks are lighter but still pretty defensive and offensively strong. If a tank is a mile from you, say goodbye to the tank. But when that tank gets within 100 yards, you can say good night. That's the way it should be. The reason powers isn't so very strong like it should be, is people could just get MPowers and MDefender with 4000 healer and be purely sufficient in all areas. They would do super damage, tank like no other, and be able to heal sufficiently.
i am not asking to tank the sarcifice we make to have no def should be made up in offensive, which we have both that jedi has to offer(mls /mp). 1 on 1 the 2 should balance out and come down to skills and first strike. A mls/ Mdef should not be able to out dmg me and i should not be able to out tank them.U guys have the ablility to tank we do not yet have the offensive power that we should.
U r trying to say that 2 offenses masteries should not be equal to or great then 1 defenses mastery. That makes no sense.
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jonstraf wrote:
Bahamut_farstar wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
Bahamut_farstar wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Well i have a power's temp, i can drop mls/mdefs or mls/mehancers relativity easy, those who beat me , either gank me, use AI , or are speed capped/accuracy capped, so in honesty i think i do well, personally i don't want ppl looking at me and thinking, oh yeay another blow up doll fotm mdef.
I want them to see me using power's and dropping fotm temp's, and thinking WOW, you don't actually have to be the same as the other thousand's of jedi on this server.
You practice enough, you can be effective, im not saying you can beat everyone, because you can't, but if ppl knew my temp on my server, they would be amazed how i beat anyone in pvp, and i don't have tree full's of def
I'm not saying it's impossible, and you are just proving my point further. My point, is that standing there with no defender expecting to tank a MDEF/MLS no problem, is the problem.
Can't see it's a problem personally, as ive sacrificed my defence's for power's, and it's not my problem if ppl can't pvp.
In my experience, ppl who are mdef's are ppl who can't pvp, that's why they need AI.
I saw one guy in tatooine having a friendly duel with a tkm , and he had to use AI to avoid being made a fool out of.
Im sorry, but i don't see why mixed temp's should be weaker , because duel temp's or fotm mdef's need there i win button, and if your suggesting that mdef's shouldn't be touched by anyone, but mpower's should sit there and be a light show for ppl in eisley, then you couldn't be further from the truth imo.
We didn't see the emperor's lighting bouncing of yoda in the film's, and im just taking a wild guess that he would probably have the lv4 lightning tree
No but we did see him catch and and toss it right back...We also saw Windu deflect it fairly easily with LS. But we don't see this ingame. I never said master defenders should own. They are defenders, and they should be. I honestly feel that defender should be done away with and defenses scattered around with primary defense in LS. But that's another story.
Well yoda actually laid there for the best part of 30secs , wondering what the hell hit him hehe.
Yeah i appreciate that defender's can tank , but also you can combine mls with mdef, so you are effective in tanking and dishing out.
Im not complaining, but now see it from our point of view, we can be duel master's, but how can we be as effective as mls/mdef?
Power's can be force draining, and even if we have mdef/mpowers we still do little dmg, if we are mls/mpowers , we lack greatly in defence , im not having a go at anyone who are these temp's(or i don't mean to sound like i am), but taking powers or being mpowers is a very big sacrfice.
Anyonewith powers or mpowerswho fight's 1on1, or in group's deserve's great respect , im not just saying that cos i have them hehe, but it does lack greatly on def or ehancer imo
Why not....who said that Saber is mandatory?
RKO wrote:
RKO wrote:
RKO wrote:
THEsmuggla wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
The information as to why you lost is obvious. You don't understand the role of your template. You are a Master Powers template with no defender. Do you honestly think you can tank? No. Powers, in its current state is considered a support role. To be honest, your template isn't meant for dueling a Master defender Master Lightsaber head-on and if you honestly think you should be able to, then there is a problem. Sure you may have Lightsaber, but because of your poor defenses, attacking any melee head-on full-assault is just silly. That's what his template is for. I'm not saying you should disregard your LS. What I'm saying is because of your choice in template, you have to be more strategic than you were being.
Yeah i know my template is support template.
for those of u that think mls mp is a support template your wrong its a dmg over def template.
the dmg i can dish out should balance out that fact that i have no def
Actually i have to AGREE with you!
finaly someone sees the light
That would be because he is your template and he wants to be overpowered. You guys keep forgetting that we are one profession here. You are support. Just get it in your head. I think your damage does come a bit short of what it should but in any sense, think about it in real warfare. You are support, like artillery. Tanks are lighter but still pretty defensive and offensively strong. If a tank is a mile from you, say goodbye to the tank. But when that tank gets within 100 yards, you can say good night. That's the way it should be. The reason powers isn't so very strong like it should be, is people could just get MPowers and MDefender with 4000 healer and be purely sufficient in all areas. They would do super damage, tank like no other, and be able to heal sufficiently.
i am not asking to tank the sarcifice we make to have no def should be made up in offensive, which we have both that jedi has to offer(mls /mp). 1 on 1 the 2 should balance out and come down to skills and first strike. A mls/ Mdef should not be able to out dmg me and i should not be able to out tank them.U guys have the ablility to tank we do not yet have the offensive power that we should.
U r trying to say that 2 offenses masteries should not be equal to or great then 1 defenses mastery. That makes no sense.
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