Jedi Archive

I must admit I am amused by the personal attacks which completely ignore the point of the post. Also it would wise for those of you attacking me personally to find a little bit out about me before you attack me as some noob. I have been around since a few days after launch. I unlocked just after patch 10 after 26 professions and one tree in the cantina (embarassed look) as a dancer. I then spent the next 5 straight months on endor grinding alone. I did not throw a single nade with this character. At the time I was doing jedi doing nade's was not widely known. As far as learning my profession, you should check your attacks and address the facts and not hurl invective. You did not address my concerns in any kind of substantive way. This event was seen by 5 ppl in my guild along with 3 ppl from bdp.

As for your statement that jedi get AI and stasis, it is true that ai has no analog in bh, but it has been nerfed so much that it is nearly useless now as it goes off while having 15-20 secs left on timer, it is deeply broken. Stasis has a rough analog in paralyze although the durations are a little different. However the snares and debuffs in bh are unparalled by any profession in the game. I could have made my list far more comprehensive and include all of the debuffs such as thyroid rupture and eletrolyte drain which are hugely overpowered and have no jedi counterpart or counter given the way the new system works. The sole exception to that being rancor aid. That does not however counter the attack speed debuff wich is a massive -40.

Try addressing the facts please so that a constructive conversation may happen rather than attacking the person which so many people do when they have nothing legitimate to rebut the facts presented.

Sincerely

Shendrin
Sheridan'

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Chesed-Ari wrote:
I watched the fight as well. None of us could believe it. Riogatta heals like -hired- as well. How can someone heal twice a second or attack twice a second? I thought it was so cheap to have a cloaked reb jedi following the (noble)jedi so that he couldnt cloak as a defense or tactic in the fight, and bring SL's too boot, and then talk smack when the tactic failed in the end. What is the game coming to.

Chesed-ari

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The reason the healing is so fast is because there is currently a bug involving stims and ruby biel, which bypasses all timers for healing. The reason that they heal without mind consumption is because they use stims, not a CM, Doc, or Medic ability. I will not go into specifics as to how it works or how to do it, so don't ask. It's been reported to the Devs.

As for combat, you can macro together some attacks with pauses at the speed of your weapon and can bypass some of lag you get from being human.

I wasn't there, so I can comment on specifics, but I do know that the healing bug is confirmed.

I watched him use ruby and then heal, over and over. I do not know how it works, but its effect is pretty unreal.

If you have been around so long I would have hoped you would have seen enough nerfs to not cry foul so easily.

If you have seen something you see as wrong /bug it.

The person presenting the facts failed to present the FACTS in the first place. Your WHINE is fitting of a jebay and offers nothing constructive at all.

Oh and pre 9 here

seems as if MR. doesnt get the idea of a balance pass,then again with his temprement hed not get it if ya drilled it into his hollow little noggin either

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Mr_Desert wrote:

If you have been around so long I would have hoped you would have seen enough nerfs to not cry foul so easily.

If you have seen something you see as wrong /bug it.

The person presenting the facts failed to present the FACTS in the first place. Your WHINE is fitting of a jebay and offers nothing constructive at all.

Oh and pre 9 here

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Message Edited by freedomwarrior on 10-24-2005 04:22 PM

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Mr_Desert wrote:

Examples of things jedi cannot have but bhs can:

1) 75% armorbreak sliced armor, - They cant be Mdef either.
2) snares that last for nearly 2 mins and can be reapplied with impunity. - A snare doesnt kill you
3) bhs heal twice a second for 1400-1600 and jedi heal max for 1500 every 6 seconds - Instant Sim anyone?
4) bhs bypass exploit allows them to heal with the above speed using almost no mind at all. - PROVE IT
5) Bh's can use timer exploit to attack twice a second, - If there is a timer exploit still in effect then it will be accesable to every profession.
6) Bh's get weps with 1300-1400 with pups and jedi get 700 damage sabers (only if you were a pre cu jedi) - Do you have any idea why a LS is different int hsi manner, ever looked at the min damage and seen the difference in high end PvE or PvP? Suggest you read the post that was made on this board explaining just why there is a difference in the damage.
7) IT appears BHs now get the benefit of SL buffs during pvp with a jedi but the jedi cannot. Jedi get exacly the same buffs. I was grinding SL yesterday and the group tank got attacked by a BH. His SL buffs remained there as the battle took place as I was still grouped with him.
8) bhs can now hit for 7000 damage (gross number before armor mitigation) and jedi can hit for 1k under most circumstances. - Ever seen a jedi hit someone when they are armor broken, they use power attack, have sl buffs on them? THis is a stupid statement at the best of times.

Now a reasonable person would look at this and consider the distinct possibility that the devs are intent on destroying this profession and replacing star wars with bh wars or nerf wars. I look at this and wonder why all the hate towards jedi unless this is the ingame equivalent of order 66.

A reasonable person would realise thar JEDI ARE NOT BH´s and so SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THINGS.

If you want a BH, respec your jedi into one, and while you are at it suggest you learn a bit more about the game and how to counter the things done t you. A jedi has a counter / viable tactic against everythig but as with 80% of the population it seems unelss it is listed in your skill tree you dont have the capability to work it out.

In future can you please just post the following.

Im a post 9 jedi with a crap saber and cannot kill a BH who has CM in their template so im going to moan until the CM gets nerfed as I am not going to spend time looking into food combinations, tactics and heaven forbid will not use my jedi 100% of the time.

Rememebrits the CM you have issue with not the BH trees but those issues are yours not theirs.

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No one is calling for a nerf so do be so kind as not to put words in my mouth. What I am doing is calling attention to a clearly existing problem that a total of 7-8 people witnessed, 5 from my guild and 3 from bdp, another guild on naboo. There is a clear and existing imbalance between the two professions, and while I do not personally have problems killing even those bh's choosing to exploit, that is because of decent tactics and a pretty respectable pre-cu saber. However many of my guildies do not have the luxury of a good saber, and as such are easy prey to those who would choose to behave in such a manner, and my concern is primarily for them, hence the reason for this post. And for the record I was done along long time before respecs so give that a rest already.

On another note, I do question the motives of those who are so ardently defending the people who are clearly abusing the system to the harm of other players. What can you possibly be defending? The bhs right to cheat? Why would you do such a thing? Those of you profess a concern for the greater good of the game, perhaps you think it is a positive constructive game mechanic for fotm characters to be able to kill jedi with impunity to the point where many veterans just dont want to log in any longer, perhaps you think that is good for the game as a whole?

This isnt about nerfing, this is about examining a clearly flawed, broken, and/or exploited game mechanic that is being used to give one side of the jedi/bh conflict (bh wars/nerf wars) an unfair and unassailable advantage in non-consensual pvp. I recall just after the CU that BH's were furious that they had to work so hard to overcome jedi healing, and so now the reverse is true because the BH's concerns were immediately addressed and Jedi were nerfed. Perhaps you would like to dispute that as well? Now, as if the jedi nerf wasnt enough, bhs feel the need to cheat to get around the timers, all the while blaming the devs for their sloppy coding rather than taking responsbility for making illegitmate use of it to the detriment of those they play against here in this universe. Everyone knows cheating and imbalance are very destructive game mechanics, and yet here you are defending those very behaviors and yet professing a concern for the greater good of the game. That seems to be a flawed logic tree to say the least.

Shendrin
Sheridan'

Message Edited by Shendrin on 10-24-2005 03:54 PM

Our Correspondent Baciacca needs to respond to constructive posts like Shendrins with serious consideration.
It is bad enough that skills we have worked tirelessly for and have been for most of us important defensive skills have been 'weakened' substantially... but when we attempt to play fair only to have morons use cheap exploitive maneuvers on us..things are getting bad. All we want is to know that these issues are getting to the correct people...COMMUNICATION is all we want. Not getting answers makes it easy to assume that A. you don't care...B. you don't know the problem (please) C. You simply don't have the solution yet (and it costs more time and money to try and fix it then leav it alone) or....

A and C

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Shendrin wrote:
This is a new comp and I cannot get it to take a screenie, whenever I use this microsoft natural keyboard it will not take screenies. This just happened so the info is in my combat log still but I am at a loss on how to get it out.

any suggestions?

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I think F-Lock has to be toggled to off for prtScn to be active. If you normally hit f-lock to use your function keys, I think you'll have to toggle it off again to use prtscn. (I hate f-lock!)

I'm not sure which state it has to be in, but it's worth a try.

As it turns out you were correct Arran, thank you! It appears that if I turn off the f-lock key (which I always have on in swg which is why I could never get it to work) you can make those secondary keys function on the ms natural keyboard. So the next time this happens I will be able to post plenty of screenies, of course that doesnt always work since the diehard defenders of unethical behavior will just cry photoshop or some other nonesense, I should have just fraps'd it. If I had been thinking instead of being outraged I would have thought to.

Shendrin
Sheridan'