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Thread: BH exploits, or Powers weakness?

magneto2
Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:24 am
#1


for the 3rd night in a row, ive had BH attack while cloaked....i know its only CMs can do it, but it cant be fair.....its part of my temp, i give up defenses to be master powers, so cloak is my "live for another day" button....im not going to name any names, but ive been reporting these BH, and they argue with me thats its fair practice....i was just wondering if anyone else felt the same


hopefully this thread wont be deleted like my other 2 about this subject :-)

Message Edited by magneto2 on 09-13-2005 05:35 AM




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Laney_1uk
Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:27 am
#2

ALL PROFESSIONS CAN. All you have to do is agro something in sight and area attack it with the cloaked jedi infront. I remember when i was killing a jedi's mobs this happened so i pretty sure it still works. You take damage as well


magneto2
Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:12 am
#3

hmm....im really not happy with powers right now....i was MLs/master def forever, and it was so much better....powers eats your force like nothing else, and the lack of defense against all the powered up and sliced guns out there....i can understand the force cost, but i wish the attacks where more devastating, especailly choke and lightning...and on top of that i cant regen while cloaked cuz im 2 busy healing fire and poison from the nice BHrs


dont mean to whine, but im watching Vader choke peeps on TV right now, and there not shooting back, or anything else for that matter....lol (and i know, SWG isnt the movies)






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Naeho
Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:20 am
#4

Adding an Imbolisation effect to Choke? Does make sense. A movement reduction, you should be able to still stumble
around while cloaked, and a Snare that stops you attacking for the duration of the choke, like the startle shot
from rifles. They could increase the re-use timer slightly to compensate.





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magneto2
Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:34 am
#5

i would take higher costs or even longer warmups for powers specials to be more devastating....like lightning, maybe make it like last ditch from smuggler, so ud be close to death after using it, but it could be a duel ending move if timed right


everytime u see the emporer use choke, seems to take a big toll on him, but it pretty much leaves his target on the ground and worthless, even yoda got pwnd by lightning



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CalamarcilloInfernalis
Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:48 am
#6

Cloack is cloack. Its not such a powerfull ability that needs to be in master box or something. a jedi is a jedi and has to be able to do thinks like that. One of the reasons to grind 3M of jedi exp is to be able to do rare special cool things. I think jedi have a few ones but thats another discusion...


The fact is that cloack needs to be REPAIRED. That means avoid aggroing, avoid targeting (almost repaired), avoid attack. And that costs exacly 3M of jedi exp, no more.





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Eskie
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:19 am
#7



magneto2 wrote:
for the 3rd night in a row, ive had BH attack while cloaked....i know its only CMs can do it, but it cant be fair.....its part of my temp, i give up defenses to be master powers, so cloak is my "live for another day" button....im not going to name any names, but ive been reporting these BH, and they argue with me thats its fair practice....i was just wondering if anyone else felt the same
hopefully this thread wont be deleted like my other 2 about this subject :-)

Message Edited by magneto2 on 09-13-2005 05:35 AM




If you are cloaked and a CM attacks you, he is exploiting. CMs only have single-target attacks, and using single-target attacks on a cloaked Jedi (a "target" that you dont even have) is using a bug in the SWG command interpreter to gain an advantage. There are rumors of BHs already getting banned for this. If it happens to you, report the BH.



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Windrider01
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:21 am
#8


The BH should not be able to target you while cloaked so his ability to apply CM attacks to youshould beconsidered an exploit.


Being hit by AOE's is another issue all together that gets confused with the CM attacks. I've no problem with AOE's hitting me while cloaked i do however hate CM's ability to tag me with non-aoe attacks.


As for ways to improve master powers: increase AOE damage, decrease timers significantly, rework Breach so it's useful, add a way for master powers to manage force aka channel for MP, Add a root, increase choke damage or make it bypass all...allll defenses. Maybe combine the last two add a root to choke.


In duels vs jedi a MLS should beat a master powers but in large scale combat MP should be feared, as it stands now MP doesn't perform the role of crowd control very well.







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Veustuh
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:22 am
#9






Eskie wrote:





magneto2 wrote:


for the 3rd night in a row, ive had BH attack while cloaked....i know its only CMs can do it, but it cant be fair.....its part of my temp, i give up defenses to be master powers, so cloak is my "live for another day" button....im not going to name any names, but ive been reporting these BH, and they argue with me thats its fair practice....i was just wondering if anyone else felt the same


hopefully this thread wont be deleted like my other 2 about this subject :-)

Message Edited by magneto2 on 09-13-2005 05:35 AM





If you are cloaked and a CM attacks you, he is exploiting. CMs only have single-target attacks, and using single-target attacks on a cloaked Jedi (a "target" that you dont even have) is using a bug in the SWG command interpreter to gain an advantage. There are rumors of BHs already getting banned for this. If it happens to you, report the BH.



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Eskie
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:26 am
#10



Veustuh wrote:


Eskie wrote:


magneto2 wrote:
for the 3rd night in a row, ive had BH attack while cloaked....i know its only CMs can do it, but it cant be fair.....its part of my temp, i give up defenses to be master powers, so cloak is my "live for another day" button....im not going to name any names, but ive been reporting these BH, and they argue with me thats its fair practice....i was just wondering if anyone else felt the same
hopefully this thread wont be deleted like my other 2 about this subject :-)

Message Edited by magneto2 on 09-13-2005 05:35 AM




If you are cloaked and a CM attacks you, he is exploiting. CMs only have single-target attacks, and using single-target attacks on a cloaked Jedi (a "target" that you dont even have) is using a bug in the SWG command interpreter to gain an advantage. There are rumors of BHs already getting banned for this. If it happens to you, report the BH.

Tab key FTW




TAB does not target cloaked Jedi, "/target jediname" does not anymore, either. However, there are ways to attack a cloaked Jedi with single-target attacks and they are exploits.



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12pt Master Doctor - Master Riflewoman
Light Jedi Padawan
-ERI- medical supplies CLOSED

Left to explore new galaxies far, far away
after this galaxy had been enhanced far too much for her taste
Veustuh
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:26 am
#11






magneto2 wrote:

hmm....im really not happy with powers right now....i was MLs/master def forever, and it was so much better....powers eats your force like nothing else, and the lack of defense against all the powered up and sliced guns out there....i can understand the force cost, but i wish the attacks where more devastating, especailly choke and lightning...and on top of that i cant regen while cloaked cuz im 2 busy healing fire and poison from the nice BHrs


dont mean to whine, but im watching Vader choke peeps on TV right now, and there not shooting back, or anything else for that matter....lol (and i know, SWG isnt the movies)






Been feeling this pain since the CU though it seems everybody who doesn't understand is content with powers being subpar because we have cloak. Honestly I'd give up cloak in a millisecond flat for just having Force Weaken break force defenses on the same scale as armor break does under Lightsaber.




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mohtz1
Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:42 am
#12

if you cloak, then you need to move away from your target.. he cant target you.. i really dont see the point of staying if you cloaked..


you have 2.5 minutes to go back and engage the bh.. get out of range.. eat some foods.. get ready for a fight, then go back..


but if your standing there thinking your enemy wont attack you are mistaken..


if he does attack you with aoe's, thats fine.. move out of range.. dont stand there and take it..

if he attacks you with single target attacks.. report him and move out of range..





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trajen2
Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:16 am
#13

The same mechanism used by anyone to attack a cloaked jedi is sometimes used by the cloaked jedi to attack without de-cloaking...


not everyone does this but it IS a two-way street. .







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