Jedi Archive
Thread: THE WAY IT COULD BE.....
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Voghdiel
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:34 am
#1
I know there are a million of these posts, but its always good to get an idea out there so here goes.....
A friend and I were talking yesterday about what is wrong with the game and what could be done to fix it. It was amazing what two people, untrained, un-paid, with no experience in game concept developement could come up with in just an hour long conversation. Makes you wonder who exactly they are paying to brainstorm for this game...anyways here it is. Have a read and post what you think, flame it or applaud it, whatever.
The three largest problems for jedi (which are becoming the largest "class" in the game):
Not Powerful....like the old days and the movies jedi were/are amazing I remember a jedi wiping out 5+ people in theed one day. Although it is much easier to get to jedi now than pre CU, its still a long large grind and the pay off is.......oh yeah thats right there is no pay off, when 1 character can give you a 10-15min fight, there is something wrong.
No content....other than scratching off a list, another quest or badge, and whats the point to PvP, everyone is essentially the same, only those lucky enough to make jedi pre-cu have agreat saber. Why are we jedi?No reward for PvP. Where is the Purpose? What do jedi do after the grind?!
Over Population....seems like everyone and thier brother and their brothers' buddy's grandma has a damn jedi today. The magic of seeing a jedi or being one has lost some if not alot of its luster as the jedi poplutation has increased.
Now..."Easier said than Done".....this phrase comes to mind when offering a solution to a problem especially one that has an impact on so many people and trying to please a whole community, but simply I think the basesare basically covered here.
The solutions: Turn the Force Ranking system back on, and in this model address the three main problems we have. Now before we begin here some changes have to be put in place to let the model below function correctly.
Padawan'sonce they reach CL level 80 or near full template, then the title of "Adept" will be wearable.
Padawan below CL 80 are no longer hunted by bounty hunters and forced into PvP, although an experience And/Or skill box penatly will be given upon ANY death in PvE or PvP that the player chooses to enter into and Knights would not suffer this action.
Bounty Hunters will now only be able to hunt Adept or higher level players.
Bounty Hunters will now be able to team up to take on Knights that have made it to the BH Terminals.
Over-population......Three death Semi-Perma-Death.Adepts that have chosen to enter the FRS and take on the Knight title now become more powerful.....like a jedi should be. With this greater power comes greater risk.....BH can now team up and "gank" you. Once a Knight has died three times from ANY death, including PvE or PvP, in a certain time period (three weeks kept in cycle with the village Phase to keep it easy) he would then become the Blue Glowie as many have talked about. The Blue Glowie Jediwould then have the option to take on a quest (time consumingbut fun) given at the respective Enclave to be Reborn. Once the Knight is reborn he will be restored with all his Adept level skill boxes and be able to enter back into the Force Ranking system. This in essence would take jedi out of rotation from time to time giving the illusion of less jedi in game. This is for Knights Only.
More Power......as stated above Jedi that have chosen to enter into the FRS and take on the Knight title will gain more power and be hunted by larger numbers of bounty hunters up to 8 in a group. This in no way implies the I win scenario but some nerfs would have to be lifted to allow Knights to defend themselves and possibly escape if the fight is too much. Knights should be able to take on 2-3 players for a fair fight and more as jedi rank up. This would give back the Glory of the title of Jedi and give BH real bragging rights and group content for taking down Larger Prey.
Content.....The Force Ranking Systemthe much anticipated system on the landscape of the game this is the simple version we came up with:
Adepts choose to take on and enter into this system and would then have to rank up through Missions. Missions will be given from Force shrines and from Enclave NPC. Force shrine missions....would be small quest like missions not unlike Bounty Hunter NPC kill missions. They would require meeting or killing NPC's in a series and on random locations on random planets. NPC's would be of high enough CL to give a fight to the jedi and give a random chance for loot items(premiums?!).After aset numberForce Shrine missions the Knight would be told to report to the Enclave for a mission.
The Enclave missions would then consist of PvP. The missions would be not unlike a Kashykk mission in Etyy forest like togo kill so many Opposing Faction Special Forces or opposing jedi with your friends or a group. Another option would be a Challenge mission. The Challenge mission from the Eclave is an all or nothing gamble where two opposing factionKnights would be looking for a Challenge Fight at the same time from their respective Enclaves. The opposing Knights would then get a waypoint on Yavin to meet and accept a challenge duel. Once the Knights meet and a Challenge duel is accepted, a 30 second timer on system message is counted down and, the two Knights Fight to the death. This would forgo a lengthy time of getting into a group and finding Special Forces to kill. To avoid exploitation no two Knights may not take a Challenge Fight more than once a phase.
Love it or Flame it
Its just an idea from a couple fans of the game. Something had better change soon because the state of the game as is, is pretty shabby in my opinion.
Message Edited by Voghdiel on 10-23-2005 11:05 AM
RebelArchAngel
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:45 am
#2
i choose a) Love it, the idea of blue glowie and not losing anything that is really bad is awesome, and taking paddies out of the terms until they r near full temp, thats smart and should been implemnted a long time ago.
wOOt for ur post
Teda
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:00 am
#3
Applaud !!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope the devs read this and listen!!!
When was the last time you saw me log my jedi in ???
enough said
Daroneji
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:08 am
#4
Like it, but would like to see thatfull temp paddies aren't on the terms unless they enter the frs. Also the jedi v jedi idea would need some work cause of the difference between templates,like say msaber/mdefwould probably cane a mpowers/dabbler in other areas would probably can in that area (maybe) as i've never gone up against a mpower with my saber3404/mdef etc jedi.
Just an idea
gRampz
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:11 am
#5
Holy 
Someone get this stickied, there are some awesome ideas in here, and I love the ideas about becoming a blue glowie Jedi. I had thought of something similar, but by disabling them for a few weeks to not really interact - genius.
Voghdiel
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:15 am
#6
Daroneji wrote:
Like it, but would like to see thatfull temp paddies aren't on the terms unless they enter the frs. Also the jedi v jedi idea would need some work cause of the difference between templates,like say msaber/mdefwould probably cane a mpowers/dabbler in other areas would probably can in that area (maybe) as i've never gone up against a mpower with my saber3404/mdef etc jedi.
Just an idea
Yeah....balancing the jedi templates between each other is a whole other ball of wax. hehe
We did think about that full template paddy thing......maybe the full template padawan would gain something for taking on the Adept level after finishing template. We dont want to nix BH one on one hunt missions altogether here. Gotta keep them in mind too, if all that were out there were unhuntable padawan and powerful Knights, BH would then need groups all the time and thats just not playable for a BH.
The concept is this:
Grinding padawan unhuntable but has to be careful not to die or they lose XP or a portion of a skill box
Adept level = 1-1.5 character fightability so would be huntable by a single BH.
Knight = 2-4 character fightability so would need a duo or a team to take him down
Above Knight levels would need a team or a small army to take down....LOL
But for surviving that long and gaining those levels would give you the deserved power!
Message Edited by Voghdiel on 10-23-2005 11:23 AM
Leeza
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:18 am
#7
Changes are long overdue...this game has the potential to be great. I hope all the voices sounding out don't go unheard. Nice post!!!
Onmi Scient
cerendis
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:33 am
#9
That's an excellent idea. I love it - not too much risk, but very balanced. Should also keep the BHs happy with the more bragging rights - good plan. (Hell - I'd like to be a BH in that game!)
Erasmass
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:55 am
#10
Approve
it's just not Star Wars without powerful Jedi/Sith
Also if they fix/bring back the GCW Knight and above should only be able to attack other Knights unless attacked first.
Voghdiel
Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:24 pm
#11
dont let the word "gank" scare you....the idea here is to give jedi back the power to play and have fun, a practiced Knight SHOULD be able to have a fair fight with 2-4 regular players.
Erasmass
Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:51 pm
#12
Oh I'm not worried about ganking. It is just one of those things that happens, personally I believe it is the price I pay for walking around overt. I know that if I were in a group of Imp and say a Reb walking around overt I would take him/her out
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