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Thread: MASTER ENHACNER ON TC
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
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I don't think they need to nerf drain at all. I DO, however, believe that it should be moved to powers or to another line in enhancer. And that they should give some type of counter for it in each profession. Every profession in jedi should be able to counter one another. The counter to defender is of course, drain, sap or choke. Sabers doesn't offer much in way of being able to counter anything but if they add the abilty to stun people and hinder action regen then that would be a viable counter in sabers.
The reason why i say that drain should simply be moved is because that would be like sticking it in the 4xxx healer line. That is a line that nearly everyone takes and it just wouldn't fit with the rest of the line. I really believe it should be moved in the powers line with weaken since both are ways of weakening a player.
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
-
I could not agree more. Completely accurate in every way.
Enhancer gets that toggle FR now, force speed, shield/armor/absorb/feedback, drain/transfer, meditate/channel, stasis/wave/suppression, state/poison/disease/bleed resists, what more could there be in this utility full set of skills.
Vicci A'Tivo - Elder "in your face" Bounty Hunterhey, im a master enchancer on TC , and for now, nothing change...
(its would be easier if they was stopping to mothball our server but well)...
i still find enchancer is great, not strong, but useful cause of all of his ability. But of what i read of the futur update of jedi coming, trust me, master power will be a new uber class, they going to reduce downtime, and make the fc cost really low.
So until they done all ajusment (like beginning by really fixing the elemental damage who still broke), we dont know what is really going to kick ass. but yes, master saber and saber 0404 pretty the same thing
my template : LS0404, Master Enchancer, Def 0044, heal 3000
Nicklaus42 wrote:hey, im a master enchancer on TC , and for now, nothing change...
i still find enchancer is great, not strong, but useful cause of all of his ability. But of what i read of the futur update of jedi coming, trust me, master power will be a new uber class, they going to reduce downtime, and make the fc cost really low.
So until they done all ajusment (like beginning by really fixing the elemental damage who still broke), we dont know what is really going to kick ass. but yes, master saber and saber 0404 pretty the same thing
my template : LS0404, Master Enchancer, Def 0044, heal 3000
Why defender 0044, instead of 4040 defender? Just curious.
Orowaw wrote:
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
-
I could not agree more. Completely accurate in every way.
If you agree with what is said about lightsaber, then you don't know how to test at all. 0404 is not as strong as master. Yes, the damage you see pop up over the screen is the same. So? That is just the damage based off your saber. If you used the respec system to go MLS and craft your sabers then drop it, then you will have a saber equal to a MLS even at 0404, but you will not have the speed and accuracy mods that come with that box.
If you've even swung a lightsaber post CU then you know that the melee defense of your target compared to your LS accuracy is what determines if you hit the target or not and how often. The higher you can get your accuracy in this new system, the better until you hit the major part of the diminishing returns system.
As for speed, this one should be obvious. The more often you hit someone in the current 10-20 min fight system for basic fights, the more damage you do overall.
I don't see how you can know this and still think that 0404 is just as good as MLS. To those that say just go get +25 to speed and accuracy in tapes and then it will be the same, that doesn't make sense either. You could use those same tapes at the Master level to make yourself even more powerful, maybe you'd get less of a return from them due to the new system, but you'd be stronger than a MLS without them.
I understand how a lot of people can think that these two are equal as one can't beat the other in a straight duel currently, but with the upcoming fixes on elemental damage and future ones the devs discussed on force costs overall and mind costs for healing, MLS stands to be much stronger by far than 0404.
Gaarawarr
Message Edited by CourtJester73 on 06-12-2005 01:28 PM
ENH- FA needs adjusting (thats really it)
Heal - currently you are fine with just 4000 (not worth a master)
Power - getting its fix soon
LS- in the past MLS had perks (4th gen and apowerful move- derv2)
now LS only gets acc and speed bost really. DERV is nice but too costly compared to spin2
anyone can have a a 4th gen saber. I personally think the best thing to do is add a 5th gen saber
to master only and add a single attack power move. Also may 20% added to block at mls rather than 5
Message Edited by FowoZolo on 06-12-2005 02:07 PM
CourtJester73 wrote:
Orowaw wrote:
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
-
I could not agree more. Completely accurate in every way.
If you agree with what is said about lightsaber, then you don't know how to test at all. 0404 is not as strong as master. Yes, the damage you see pop up over the screen is the same. So? That is just the damage based off your saber. If you used the respec system to go MLS and craft your sabers then drop it, then you will have a saber equal to a MLS even at 0404, but you will not have the speed and accuracy mods that come with that box.
If you've even swung a lightsaber post CU then you know that the melee defense of your target compared to your LS accuracy is what determines if you hit the target or not and how often. The higher you can get your accuracy in this new system, the better until you hit the major part of the diminishing returns system.
As for speed, this one should be obvious. The more often you hit someone in the current 10-20 min fight system for basic fights, the more damage you do overall.
I don't see how you can know this and still think that 0404 is just as good as MLS. To those that say just go get +25 to speed and accuracy in tapes and then it will be the same, that doesn't make sense either. You could use those same tapes at the Master level to make yourself even more powerful, maybe you'd get less of a return from them due to the new system, but you'd be stronger than a MLS without them.
I understand how a lot of people can think that these two are equal as one can't beat the other in a straight duel currently, but with the upcoming fixes on elemental damage and future ones the devs discussed on force costs overall and mind costs for healing, MLS stands to be much stronger by far than 0404.
Gaarawarr
Message Edited by CourtJester73 on 06-12-2005 01:28 PM
OK I agree MLS is better. I should have said I agree 100% with the enhancer observations. And yes I was in FRS well before th CU so don't tey to tell me I have never swung a lightsaber.
Orowaw wrote:
CourtJester73 wrote:
Orowaw wrote:
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
-
I could not agree more. Completely accurate in every way.
If you agree with what is said about lightsaber, then you don't know how to test at all. 0404 is not as strong as master. Yes, the damage you see pop up over the screen is the same. So? That is just the damage based off your saber. If you used the respec system to go MLS and craft your sabers then drop it, then you will have a saber equal to a MLS even at 0404, but you will not have the speed and accuracy mods that come with that box.
If you've even swung a lightsaber post CU then you know that the melee defense of your target compared to your LS accuracy is what determines if you hit the target or not and how often. The higher you can get your accuracy in this new system, the better until you hit the major part of the diminishing returns system.
As for speed, this one should be obvious. The more often you hit someone in the current 10-20 min fight system for basic fights, the more damage you do overall.
I don't see how you can know this and still think that 0404 is just as good as MLS. To those that say just go get +25 to speed and accuracy in tapes and then it will be the same, that doesn't make sense either. You could use those same tapes at the Master level to make yourself even more powerful, maybe you'd get less of a return from them due to the new system, but you'd be stronger than a MLS without them.
I understand how a lot of people can think that these two are equal as one can't beat the other in a straight duel currently, but with the upcoming fixes on elemental damage and future ones the devs discussed on force costs overall and mind costs for healing, MLS stands to be much stronger by far than 0404.
Gaarawarr
Message Edited by CourtJester73 on 06-12-2005 01:28 PM
OK I agree MLS is better. I should have said I agree 100% with the enhancer observations. And yes I was in FRS well before th CU so don't tey to tell me I have never swung a lightsaber.
traxtitan wrote:
whats wrong with Lightsaber? Here we go
0404 Light saber is as Strong as Master Lightsaber
All the moves you use in pve and pvp you get from 0404, also Our master level Move, Dervish, Is weak, and It costs double the force of our other area attack.
Whats wrong with Enhancer?
Drain force -uber
Stasis - Uber
Force Run - Toggled now
Channel - A must
Force speed - Helps so much
Force armor - working the same as it allwyas has.
They need to Nerf Drain
and Adjust the Force cost on armor a bit
thats about all...
For Lightsaber
-They need to re arange moves into different skill trees
-Adjust Force costs
-Add a real Move for Master Lightsaber or allow them to craft a 5th generation Lightsaber
-
I don't think they need to nerf drain at all. I DO, however, believe that it should be moved to powers or to another line in enhancer. And that they should give some type of counter for it in each profession. Every profession in jedi should be able to counter one another. The counter to defender is of course, drain, sap or choke. Sabers doesn't offer much in way of being able to counter anything but if they add the abilty to stun people and hinder action regen then that would be a viable counter in sabers.
The reason why i say that drain should simply be moved is because that would be like sticking it in the 4xxx healer line. That is a line that nearly everyone takes and it just wouldn't fit with the rest of the line. I really believe it should be moved in the powers line with weaken since both are ways of weakening a player.