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Thread: Jedi not really jedi. BH not really BH
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doomers71
Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:27 pm
#1
looking for opinions, nothing more.
Game Vs Books/Movies.
- seems to me the game is drifting away from the books and movies. BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi. And I seem to recallonly 1instance in history where a jedi was even touched by any kind of gun, and was set on fire. Jedi fought through countless numbers of troops without even being hit by gunfire. Maybe It is not the intent of programers to keep this game on track with the movies and books? In my opinion no way should any class combo should be able to take out a jedi 1 on 1. Jedi should be very hard to beat but not unstopable or godlike.
basically jedi are only as tough as a good templated BH, for all the hard work and grinding, its not even worth it to even be a jedi. Heck you can just grind tka/swords or polewith some healing and your basically a jedi without the flashlight. I would like to see the game take some changes that fall in line with the story of starwars.
- again this is going along the lines of the starwars story from books and movies, and just looking for opinions to make the game folow the storyline using the profesions they give us.
Message Edited by doomers71 on 09-03-2005 07:25 PM
LandonRyuu
Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:34 pm
#2
doomers71 wrote:looking for opinions, nothing more.Game Vs Books/Movies.- seems to me the game is drifting away from the books and movies. BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi. And I seem to recallonly 1instance in history where a jedi was even touched by any kind of gun, and was set on fire. Jedi fought through countless numbers of troops without even being hit by gunfire. Maybe It is not the intent of programers to keep this game on track with the movies and books? In my opinion no way should any class combo should be able to take out a jedi 1 on 1. Jedi should be very hard to beat but not unstopable or godlike.basically jedi are only as tough as a good templated BH, for all the hard work and grinding, its not even worth it to even be a jedi. Heck you can just grind tka/swords or polewith some healing and your basically a jedi without the flashlight. I would like to see the game take some changes that fall in line with the story of starwars.- again this is going along the lines of the starwars story from books and movies, and just looking for opinions to make the game folow the storyline using the profesions they give us.
I don't think Jedi should be godlike until they reach Master but I do agree with you on one thing. The FSXP and Jedi grind is NOT worth the effort.
Which is ok, because word gets around to n00bs in game from Jedi that are saying: "We suck, not worth it." N00bs get to watch Jedi get pwned by BHs so what do they do?
They grind MBH, in a week or two, they don't even attempt the Jedi grind which means since SWG is all about spending time grinding and that is SoE's big moneymaker in this game, not content eventually means these people will not spend as much money in the long term or stick around.
Artigo_Quyiter
Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:17 pm
#3
Well the only points of this game that follow the movies/books is the actual cities, npc's, planets, and some other stuff the proffesions themselves dont seem to follow the movies or books... of course there were jedi, smugglers and tera kasi guys, but i've never heard of a combat medic in any of the books or movies or anything for that matter and of course it is a game so they have to put extra stuff just my opinion
Message Edited by Artigo_Quyiter on 09-03-2005 05:19 PM
Strykorr
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:01 pm
#5
Iawalein wrote:
OP not really using spell check.
Thanks for the nice contribution to the thread. That was definitely needed.
To the OP, I agree with you, jedi should be difficult to beat, but definitely not godlike. It used to be worth it to grind jedi, then the CU came in and gimped the game. All SOE knows how to do is nerf, they know nothing of balance.
Cran
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:13 pm
#6
Did you even see Episode 2 and 3? In the arena battle the Jedi took some serious casualties from gunfire. In Episode 3 the Jedi temple was (from what they showed in the film) mostly cleared out by clone troopers with blasters, and a whole lot of Jedi apparently lost their lives being shot in the back by clones. Plus I'm sure if you actually went through the Star Wars databank and looked up how all the Jedi listed there were killed, many would be by blaster fire.
doomers71 wrote:
looking for opinions, nothing more.
Game Vs Books/Movies.
- seems to me the game is drifting away from the books and movies. BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi. And I seem to recallonly 1instance in history where a jedi was even touched by any kind of gun, and was set on fire. Jedi fought through countless numbers of troops without even being hit by gunfire. Maybe It is not the intent of programers to keep this game on track with the movies and books? In my opinion no way should any class combo should be able to take out a jedi 1 on 1. Jedi should be very hard to beat but not unstopable or godlike.
basically jedi are only as tough as a good templated BH, for all the hard work and grinding, its not even worth it to even be a jedi. Heck you can just grind tka/swords or polewith some healing and your basically a jedi without the flashlight. I would like to see the game take some changes that fall in line with the story of starwars.
- again this is going along the lines of the starwars story from books and movies, and just looking for opinions to make the game folow the storyline using the profesions they give us.
Message Edited by doomers71 on 09-03-2005 07:25 PM
Badname0291
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:17 pm
#7
I dont agree that jedi should be unstoppable or godlike, there are so many of them anyway and it would make pvping as anything bt a jedi pointless. Sure certan melee/doc temps and MBH/MCM can beat quite o lot of them, but those are temps purely made for beating jedi. Being a rifleman doc atm i laugh at the MCM/BHs in pvp. Ive also beaten my fair share of full temp jedi with pikes/swords/doc and TKM/fencer/swords/doc.
Non-jedi pvpers are far rarer than jedi pvpers.
I dont remember if i had a point, but these days the jedi grind isnt tht hard we have had many jedi on farstar that have done the grind in 5 days during double exp periods and you get a free alt.
Your right, maybe jedi should be more like the books and be able to beat hordes of ppl butthose days have gone now, they used to be able to back pre-pub9 days.
Non-jedi pvpers are far rarer than jedi pvpers.
I dont remember if i had a point, but these days the jedi grind isnt tht hard we have had many jedi on farstar that have done the grind in 5 days during double exp periods and you get a free alt.
Your right, maybe jedi should be more like the books and be able to beat hordes of ppl butthose days have gone now, they used to be able to back pre-pub9 days.
scoodoobydoo
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:22 pm
#9
the only combat medic stuff ive heard of is biological warfare weapons irl
in star wars i only ever heard of them useing bio weapons from tiefighter bombers
and there is a series about a force healer doctor so there the one about healers
powers is a little too obvious and i think mace was prolly a master lightsaber user eh ? /wink
RosaShyanne
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:29 pm
#10
doomers71 wrote:
BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi.
Lol, so BH terms should put bounties onplayer Politicians currently voted as Mayor ofa player city? Nothing better than picking on lvl 1 toons 
I see your point and agree with it in some ways, but NPC hunting does get kind of old and the classes that could survive such an attack don't fit into the SWG storylines any better than Jedi do. The fact that I am constantly persued by MBH's makes the game fun. Currently, it is the only in-game content we have.
Rosa
Badname0291
Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:54 pm
#11
RosaShyanne wrote:
doomers71 wrote:
BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi.
Lol, so BH terms should put bounties on player Politicians currently voted as Mayor of a player city? Nothing better than picking on lvl 1 toonsI see your point and agree with it in some ways, but NPC hunting does get kind of old and the classes that could survive such an attack don't fit into the SWG storylines any better than Jedi do. The fact that I am constantly persued by MBH's makes the game fun. Currently, it is the only in-game content we have.Rosa
Polician doesnt use skill points anymore so it doesnt mean they are ness a weak combat char. (i may be being a little picky) I personally would love to be hunted by BHs it would liven my day up no end.
shwigetty
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:29 am
#12
Badname0291 wrote:
RosaShyanne wrote:
doomers71 wrote:
BH should have other things to do besides farm jedi all day/night, being that the star wars storyline has BH going after politicians, not jedi.
Lol, so BH terms should put bounties on player Politicians currently voted as Mayor of a player city? Nothing better than picking on lvl 1 toonsI see your point and agree with it in some ways, but NPC hunting does get kind of old and the classes that could survive such an attack don't fit into the SWG storylines any better than Jedi do. The fact that I am constantly persued by MBH's makes the game fun. Currently, it is the only in-game content we have.Rosa
Polician doesnt use skill points anymore so it doesnt mean they are ness a weak combat char. (i may be being a little picky) I personally would love to be hunted by BHs it would liven my day up no end.
and im a Jedi Politician so im not weak either
so for this all to work you'd have to be like knowing of the consequences of being a mayor of a city, you'd be attacked by assassins all the time, so knowing that you'd want to actually be actively pvp'able with that character.. so.. like that it sounds almost promising..
Va-Mei
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:52 am
#13
Cran wrote:
Did you even see Episode 2 and 3? In the arena battle the Jedi took some serious casualties from gunfire. In Episode 3 the Jedi temple was (from what they showed in the film) mostly cleared out by clone troopers with blasters, and a whole lot of Jedi apparently lost their lives being shot in the back by clones. Plus I'm sure if you actually went through the Star Wars databank and looked up how all the Jedi listed there were killed, many would be by blaster fire.
QFE.
The majority of Jedi at the end of the Republic were schooled in the 6th form of saber combat, the Diplomats Form. During the battle in the the arena, every Jedi schooled in the 6th form died from blaster fire.
The 6th form isn't very training intensive and allows for more focus on training of perception skills that give Jedi greater abilities in negotiation and generaly avoiding combat. Of all the Jedi that Lucas names on film and depicts as having great defensive abilities vs ranged fire, not one of thempracticed this most common form.
The defensive abilities that the OP is looking for, are the exception, not the norm.
Message Edited by Va-Mei on 09-04-2005 01:53 AM
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