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Thread: Simple solution to stop griefing revisited

Jedi_Xan
Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:23 am
#1

In light of recent events, there is an easy way to stop "griefing". This above all else is a communication issue.


SOE, this is how to stop "griefing" for the most part.


When a player unlocks jedi, they are presented with 3 boxes, which they must digitally sign.


*The first box is a PVP character agreement, stating that the player is aware of the PVP aspect of Jedi, and acceptsthe conditions that come with being a Jedi.

*The second box is to accept the FRS system(depending on what, or if, the FRS ever comes back) stating the player understands and accepts the rules and conditions of FRS (if and when it comes back).

*The last box is to accept that the player understands what visibility is, that he can at any point be hunted by player bounty hunters, and that he can lose skill points from a BH death.


Denying any of the 3 boxes will prohibit the player from becoming jedi, till at which point the player meditates at the shrine again, and digitally accepts the aggreements.


What is to be gained by doing this? Well, first off, it will solve the problem of jedi complaining about BH, the FRS, PVP, or what have you. Second, it provides digital proof that the jedi has read and agreed to what a jedi is, and that forced PVP is a part of the profession. Third, it provides SOE with a blanket insurance policy that will cover them in instances such as what we have recently heard.


It is rather common knowledge what Jedi was created for, and what to expect. This has been outlined over and over since the first Jedi unlocked. By making the potential player aggree to the terms and conditions of participating in a PVP class in the game.



When a player then comes to SOE, SOE can then pull up the digitally signed aggreements, and advise the player that they agreed to it when they accepted Jedi.




Now, I know that will strike a nerve with some people, but at the very least, no one would be able to say they didnt know.



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Thorkahn
Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:38 am
#2

All they need to do is make full documentation of the game available and make a section that covers Jedi and all the issues.


What you suggest is really covered by the EULA anyway, and SOE is good at throwing that in peep's faces.


Besides, if SOE tried to program something like that, it would probably cause all Jedi to revert to novice boxes.





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blademaster30
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:29 pm
#3






GlargTheKelfn wrote:
or they could just change it so there is no more forced pvp, which is the solution you will see.

the ppl that have jedi have changed, the game has changed, the forced pvp needs to change.

the first crop of jedi were the powergamers, uber types, because that's what it took. now there are more ppl who just wnat to be a jedi and go kill nightsisters or some other hihg end npc and don't care at all about pvp. just like pvp was the envisioned end game at launch, that didn't happen, and this is the last legacy of that failed vision.








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blademaster30
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:38 pm
#4






Jedi_Xan wrote:


and I am not even paddy myself.



Won't say much, but I know this is a very interesting find indeed.






this is from a post 2 days ago


you are not a jedi don't try to make changes to something you don't know about





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AvataroftheSith
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:49 pm
#5






Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:





Jedi_Xan wrote:

It is basically saying the same thing. All this does is set that aggreement in stone, so to speak.






Wouldn't make any difference. People that are going to gripe are going to gripe no matter. Only thing that would change is the now-standard response from "You knew what you were getting into" to "You clicked the three boxes".


Gamers-in general-are the biggest whiners on the planet.






Nothing will stop people from agreeing to things they will later cry about.



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Daeges
Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:10 pm
#6

Asking someone to agree to anything after unlocking is akin totrying to instillthe responsibilities of parenthood after they're already pregnant. This kind of waiver is only useful before they even get force sensative. After they've unlocked, they've already invested huge amounts of time in earning the right to unlock, and they'll likely feel entitled to play however they wish at that point.



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Narut0
Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:15 pm
#7

what about the so called "griefing" MBH who hunts the same mark over n over?
hows about a cool down on missions of a week for each MBH. so no MBH can take the same mission within 1 week period.

ill be all for it that would stop me seeing the same sploiting faces over n over.



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Ialwysdie
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:05 am
#8

I know a simpler solution.


Don't become a Jedi if you don't want to be hunted by BH's.


Those crying it's greifing or harrassment are just a bunch of carebears that IMO should stick to playing a single player game or one with NO PVP like the PVE Servers of WOW or even EQ 2.


There are other professions in this game that they can play where they can go about their business without any form of PVP interaction. If they want to go Jedi well then they need to accept the facts that they will be hunted as the mechanics of the BH vs Jedi system allow.


Jedi being hunted by BH's was by design and those crying about it well either deal with it or quit.


However if SOE decides to adhere to those who want to be a part of PVE only and do implement the choice it would have to be permanent. Those Jedi that make that choice could never become SF or even enter into the FRS as like their choice they only want it for PVE. The only way they would be able to change this status would be a complete surrendering of all Jedi skills and XP accumulated.


Jedi_Xan
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:13 am
#9






Ialwysdie wrote:

I know a simpler solution.


Don't become a Jedi if you don't want to be hunted by BH's.


Those crying it's greifing or harrassment are just a bunch of carebears that IMO should stick to playing a single player game or one with NO PVP like the PVE Servers of WOW or even EQ 2.


There are other professions in this game that they can play where they can go about their business without any form of PVP interaction. If they want to go Jedi well then they need to accept the facts that they will be hunted as the mechanics of the BH vs Jedi system allow.


Jedi being hunted by BH's was by design and those crying about it well either deal with it or quit.


However if SOE decides to adhere to those who want to be a part of PVE only and do implement the choice it would have to be permanent. Those Jedi that make that choice could never become SF or even enter into the FRS as like their choice they only want it for PVE. The only way they would be able to change this status would be a complete surrendering of all Jedi skills and XP accumulated.






It is basically saying the same thing. All this does is set that aggreement in stone, so to speak.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:37 am
#10






Jedi_Xan wrote:

It is basically saying the same thing. All this does is set that aggreement in stone, so to speak.






Wouldn't make any difference. People that are going to gripe are going to gripe no matter. Only thing that would change is the now-standard response from "You knew what you were getting into" to "You clicked the three boxes".


Gamers-in general-are the biggest whiners on the planet.



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GlargTheKelfn
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:40 am
#11

or they could just change it so there is no more forced pvp, which is the solution you will see.

the ppl that have jedi have changed, the game has changed, the forced pvp needs to change.

the first crop of jedi were the powergamers, uber types, because that's what it took. now there are more ppl who just wnat to be a jedi and go kill nightsisters or some other hihg end npc and don't care at all about pvp. just like pvp was the envisioned end game at launch, that didn't happen, and this is the last legacy of that failed vision.




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Jedi_Xan
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:49 am
#12






GlargTheKelfn wrote:
or they could just change it so there is no more forced pvp, which is the solution you will see.

the ppl that have jedi have changed, the game has changed, the forced pvp needs to change.

the first crop of jedi were the powergamers, uber types, because that's what it took. now there are more ppl who just wnat to be a jedi and go kill nightsisters or some other hihg end npc and don't care at all about pvp. just like pvp was the envisioned end game at launch, that didn't happen, and this is the last legacy of that failed vision.




seriously, if it comes to this. I will quit.


The only reason I wanted jedi in the beginning is for the real challenge. Without it, it is just another profession.



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Jedi_Xan
Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:14 pm
#13






Narut0 wrote:
what about the so called "griefing" MBH who hunts the same mark over n over?
hows about a cool down on missions of a week for each MBH. so no MBH can take the same mission within 1 week period.

ill be all for it that would stop me seeing the same sploiting faces over n over.





well, since there is no way to determine the marks name from the terminals, then it would be safe to say, that outside luck, that anyone bounty hunter will get the same mission over and over. mbh's are eligible to hunt players. you probably see the same mbh's because quite frankly, only a handful of bh's are hunting jedi.


let's not get into the exploiting game. both sides are guilty as sin of doing it. don't throw bricks in glass houses.








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