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Thread: An easy way to fix jedi

syykodisco
Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:11 am
#1

So I have been thinking and some may agree or disagree, and I would like to see what you guys think. After the Combat Upgrade we jedi have become much weaker, and there is no arguing that. Many complain of skills being nerf'de or Bounty Hunters being to powerfull... and depending on your point of view, this once again can be argued on either point.


My idea is not to nerf any profession's skill.. or improve them, it is to fix the pool regeneration. The biggest problem I see is with special action cost and force cost. I strongly feel that action costshould beslightly reduced (or saber sac reduced).The force pool barshould match action and mind pools... meaning they completely fixed force regen rate and instead of having X ammount of force in your pool, the pool would regenerate just like action and mind does depending on your combat lvl or skills. Sure, you may run out of force ALOT faster, but on the other hand, you would also regen at a much faster rate. I know several people are screaming "FIX FORCE REGEN" well I think this would do it.


This plan would make it so we would have to watch our force pool, but also know that we can regen it much fast to get back in the fight. The thing with regen rates, is once a jedi uses all forcewe have no chance to fight and defend our selves in pvp or pve. This would pretty much force us to relearn when to use certain skills, but would balance us with all other professions much better (IMO).


Note: This idea did not come from fighting bounty hunters, pvp or pve. I simply notice that I tend to run out of force much faster then my friends/foes run out of action/mind.


Thoughts, Additions to idea or wouldn't work?



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teamdoa
Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:47 am
#2

I think the devs long termidea behind Jedi is to make themstronger than regular profs(depending on template choice etc etc), but only in short bursts, with their limiting factor been their Force Pool.







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syykodisco
Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:55 am
#3

guese no one else thought anything of this.



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Ganaster
Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:33 am
#4






teamdoa wrote:

I think the devs long termidea behind Jedi is to make themstronger than regular profs(depending on template choice etc etc), but only in short bursts, with their limiting factor been their Force Pool.










Hmmm, that's very insightful I think you've hit the nail on the head there.






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Srider_Killarney
Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:37 am
#5

jedi need defences in the lightsaber tree is what we need, and to fix our lightsaber speed so our sea's and mod speed work.



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Tactical_Dave
Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:48 am
#6

The devs set it up so you can overcome that obstacle through skill selection and proper skill usage. You would have to give up some other sweet skill to gain the sweet advantage of keeping your force bar full, but that's the nature of making choices.


I decided to put Force Channel in my template. And even though I ony have a force pool of ~2000 (with my robe on!), I never run out of force. It just takes some time to learn how to manage yourforce during a fight.


Your solution sounds good and easy on the surface, but you should consider the law of unintended consequences. By 'fixing' force regen, you will making the Enhancer xxx4 tree almost useless. This by itself would create a shift in the Jedi profession balance.


IMO, no matter what changes the devs make to the game, it will have both positive and negatives effects. What boosts one profession will be tantamount to nerfing their competition. At best, only half of the players affected will like any changes they make. The half that like it will play the game more. The half that don't like it will jump on the forums to cry for nerfs.


I suppose the devs will have finally reached balance in the game when every profession cries for nerfs equally.




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NewHopeFan
Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:04 am
#7

I would like to see an increase in force regen somewhere at 2 or 3 times the rate it is now .... BUT A DEFINATE reduction in HAM costs if force regen stays the same !



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achiles1
Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:16 am
#8

I am not full template yet and have never ran out of force against a bh, i have had 3 in a row with no rest. It is a case of balancing offence against defence to cope. Channel is handy and a health crystal is very handy. With the right foods and template you should not have a problem. The channel skill is only a second box skill and was one of my first as it helps a low level padi with small force pool. Just my oppinion, the main problem is the crystal and pearl drops tbh. You have other profs who can use pup's or slicingto raise there dps and jedi cannot, we have to rely on "luck" of a tune. My modded dps is 430 whereas my bh's dps is 750! This is the main issue i feel. Anyway, good luck and enjoy



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ExewreDarkstar
Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:41 am
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Srider_Killarney wrote:
jedi need defences in the lightsaber tree is what we need, and to fix our lightsaber speed so our sea's and mod speed work.






defense in ls tree means back of the olds fotms with mls in & all jedis ll be mls/mdef or mls/menh






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Srider_Killarney
Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:44 am
#10






ExewreDarkstar wrote:





Srider_Killarney wrote:
jedi need defences in the lightsaber tree is what we need, and to fix our lightsaber speed so our sea's and mod speed work.






defense in ls tree means back of the olds fotms with mls in & all jedis ll be mls/mdef or mls/menh







if your not MLS now you are slacking and and will not beat a MLS without it 9 times out of 10.




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MajorXP
Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:39 pm
#11

No offense my old friend, but jedi is broken in many, many ways. Simply changing the regeneration rate won't do nearly enough to "fix jedi".

It is, however terribly broken to have a profession on the sidelines for 15 minutes if their template does not include certain skills...I'm guessing by your post you don't have channel or meditiate..





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