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Thread: Has anyone ever noticed?
lol
This is not a darktime. They have increased the cost of CM/Doc heals. This is going to be a golden age.
What nerfs are you talking about? Snare? Why should only jedi be immune to snare?
What else? More action costs? Pish... action means almost nothing now, we need action cost, if only for jedi vs jedi.
Hmm... what else? Cloak? Geez cloak is so cheap... I'd see it removed or moved to master powers. Tis a silly silly ability. I've been in DWB groups with someone cloaked, seen a cloaked person do the vetts in about 5-10 minutes. Its silly.
Anything else? oh the AI nerf. Well... I can't remember the last time I even used AI in a group. Maybe on Necro a couple of times, but thats more to save me that anyone else. Sure this is alittle annoying, but the first nerf of AI really destroyed its use, this new nerf means very little.
What are we getting though?
A lava crystal, 5 new robes with increased regen rates, and they appear to be cloaks so they can be worn with our skill modded clothing. As well as rumours of jedi heals nolonger costing mind, and the mind cost of all other heals going up.
I really see nothing to panic about.
2 of the pearls in my 670 damage saber are from good pearl tunes, so you can get a decent saber with whats about.
Its not dark times, its good times.
Come Enjoy it with me!
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 10-12-2005 05:13 AM
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Whenever we are facing what feels like our darkest times, with nerfs looming over our heads, We as a community seem to be at our absolute worst?
While we are being nerfed into oblivion, we get the "I'm so 1337, I can PWN all, so there is no problem cuz you all are just sucky whiners" threads and posts.
Heaven forbid someone mention that they have some of the skills soon to be nerfed in their temp, cuz no matter what, they will just be told to quit the whining and suck it up.... BY OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
Maybe, just maybe... if we could speak out in ONE voice against the nerfs, the Devs might listen... But to hear the 1337-speakers tell it, we are supposed to grab our ancles and yell in unison; "That felt AWESOME, SOE!!!!! May we have another?????"
Action cost? eh? does that matter?
If mind is regening really slow, and it costs more mind to heal... then Jedi are doing better!!!
As for the robes, they are 2 less regen, but you can wear them with your BE skill mod incrusted suit!! (minus the cloak)- thats shirt, trousers and boots more than the normal robes! 12 more sockets!!!
LintonLisa wrote:
What nerfs are you talking about? Snare? Why should only jedi be immune to snare?
You have no idea what you are talking about. If what they have on test was to go live you my friend would rarely win against a CM and probably never against a competent one.
Here is a little hint incase you don't have a clue what kind of changes you can expect:
1) You are buffed to high heaven with spice, food, Doc buffs.......one CM debuff and it NEGATES your buff. That is a two for one shot, meaning a speed debuff is basically removed and their -40 will stick. It will be as if you NEVER had the buff in the first place. So when a CM debuffs your action and mind, nothing will counter it.
2) +Root+ already negates any movement. Now they are making Snare negate any movement buff. That means a Novice Rifleman can negate FR3, a Master Enhancer ability. This also means that CM's can snare you for 2 mins and reapply it ANYTIME. When you include the ability paralyze, you can clearly see when it's a melee vs a ranged one on one, they will never win.
Now that is just the tip of the iceberg. If you think those rules are fair just wait and see when this gets live. You'll have CM's coming out of the woodworks. why would anyone be a Doc in this system? If debuffs cancel buffs outright, you're better off just getting the debuffs as you'll at least see a benefit. You're waisting your skill points if you are picking skills that buff unless you only plan to PvE (even then, I can assure you PvE mobs now are freaking amazing.........Jedi I was trying to kill did aura, snare, root. PvE is a whole different ball game with these changes so I wouldn't be surprised to see them debuff you too)
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Whenever we are facing what feels like our darkest times, with nerfs looming over our heads, We as a community seem to be at our absolute worst?
While we are being nerfed into oblivion, we get the "I'm so 1337, I can PWN all, so there is no problem cuz you all are just sucky whiners" threads and posts.
Heaven forbid someone mention that they have some of the skills soon to be nerfed in their temp, cuz no matter what, they will just be told to quit the whining and suck it up.... BY OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
Maybe, just maybe... if we could speak out in ONE voice against the nerfs, the Devs might listen... But to hear the 1337-speakers tell it, we are supposed to grab our ancles and yell in unison; "That felt AWESOME, SOE!!!!! May we have another?????"
So maybe a MCM/BH will beat me from time to time. Make fights more intresting.
You can still use force suppression to knock them down.
I've not read anything about debuffs first cancelling a buff, then applying. This does seem a little unfair and over powering, but it might not even make live. I'll worry about it then.
I really don't see the need to panic, it just means adapting. And if its really bad, I'll go back to hidding off the terms, like I did when gank squads roamed. You all remember those right? Right after CU? This is still better than that.
LintonLisa wrote:
So maybe a MCM/BH will beat me from time to time. Make fights more intresting.
You can still use force suppression to knock them down.
I've not read anything about debuffs first cancelling a buff, then applying. This does seem a little unfair and over powering, but it might not even make live. I'll worry about it then.
I really don't see the need to panic, it just means adapting. And if its really bad, I'll go back to hidding off the terms, like I did when gank squads roamed. You all remember those right? Right after CU? This is still better than that.
Lets take your statement one at a time:
1) MBH/MCM beating you from time to time you say....rofl expect to lose everytime unless it's a complete goober.
2) you can use force supression to k/d them down.....ah no you can't. Since when is that a k/d? Yes you have 32m root, snare as a Jedi (if you choose the skills). you were not listening to the changes were you. A BH CM won't care if you root them or snare them, it wears off in less than 20 seconds. What will happen is you get in close and bam, paralyze then debuffs. Now you not only hit every 4-5 seconds, your mind/action will basically not regenerate, and you will be snared reguardless of burstrun or forcerun.
3) you have not read about debuffs cancelling buffs, well that is the whole system. Did you really think this was just put in place for BH/Jedi fights lol? It's their new combat system that negates buffs completely. It just so happens the worst one for Jedi is being perma snared because their is no way to escape and no way to close the gap of an attacking ranged player. Hoping it won't make it to live....well according to your previous post you basically said bring it on. Funny how people are willing to accept something when they have no idea what it is they are accepting lol.
WookieOgre wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Whenever we are facing what feels like our darkest times, with nerfs looming over our heads, We as a community seem to be at our absolute worst?
While we are being nerfed into oblivion, we get the "I'm so 1337, I can PWN all, so there is no problem cuz you all are just sucky whiners" threads and posts.
Heaven forbid someone mention that they have some of the skills soon to be nerfed in their temp, cuz no matter what, they will just be told to quit the whining and suck it up.... BY OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
Maybe, just maybe... if we could speak out in ONE voice against the nerfs, the Devs might listen... But to hear the 1337-speakers tell it, we are supposed to grab our ancles and yell in unison; "That felt AWESOME, SOE!!!!! May we have another?????"
No there are a lot of Jedi fighting this, trust me on Beta forums we have a thread going. Hopefully it will get the attention of someone, it has been acknowledged by Tiggs so cross your fingers.
As to the people who constantly say stop whinning and live with the changes or saying they could live with these it must be your skills.....I seriously think they have no clue to the changes proposed or they are non-Jedi that post in here pretending to be Jedi. It reminds me of the guy who quit months ago, before he left he posted on this forum that he never really had a Jedi and just lied so he couldn't be removed for trolling. I think that happens more than people realize.
Just make no mistake, our Correspondent is aware of the situation and I think even the most biased people in the BETA forum are starting to realize what a massive change this will be in PvP. "I win button" is be used to describe the new combat with these debuffs. Specially CM's have such long timers on their debuffs.....2 mins and the ability to reapply anytime is just insane.
Why does this not make me feel one bit better. Oh yeah she ackowledged the pearls issue and said just tuff luck guys.
Nastypope wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Whenever we are facing what feels like our darkest times, with nerfs looming over our heads, We as a community seem to be at our absolute worst?
While we are being nerfed into oblivion, we get the "I'm so 1337, I can PWN all, so there is no problem cuz you all are just sucky whiners" threads and posts.
Heaven forbid someone mention that they have some of the skills soon to be nerfed in their temp, cuz no matter what, they will just be told to quit the whining and suck it up.... BY OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
Maybe, just maybe... if we could speak out in ONE voice against the nerfs, the Devs might listen... But to hear the 1337-speakers tell it, we are supposed to grab our ancles and yell in unison; "That felt AWESOME, SOE!!!!! May we have another?????"
No there are a lot of Jedi fighting this, trust me on Beta forums we have a thread going. Hopefully it will get the attention of someone, it has been acknowledged by Tiggs so cross your fingers.
As to the people who constantly say stop whinning and live with the changes or saying they could live with these it must be your skills.....I seriously think they have no clue to the changes proposed or they are non-Jedi that post in here pretending to be Jedi. It reminds me of the guy who quit months ago, before he left he posted on this forum that he never really had a Jedi and just lied so he couldn't be removed for trolling. I think that happens more than people realize.
Just make no mistake, our Correspondent is aware of the situation and I think even the most biased people in the BETA forum are starting to realize what a massive change this will be in PvP. "I win button" is be used to describe the new combat with these debuffs. Specially CM's have such long timers on their debuffs.....2 mins and the ability to reapply anytime is just insane.
Why does this not make me feel one bit better. Oh yeah she ackowledged the pearls issue and said just tuff luck guys.
