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Thread: Jedi won't be permaovert with new FRS ( It if ever comes out )
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Erynder
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:31 am
#1
Because there are no shrines in Kashyyk and Mustafar. Which means, Jedi won't be permaovert in the new FRS ( If there's something like that ). Which is sad, because I personally liked my permaovert times.
Which also means, FRS will not bump Jedi powers to protect them. Because if Jedi would be powerful, Devs would make them permaovert. Risk = Reward thingy.
So, don't hold your breath for FRS, my young padawans.
WolfeTCK
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:34 am
#2
one big reason why permavert wouldnt work as well, is because almost all the old frs knights and so on, were master ls, so they almost all had the same defenses, now its if your not master defender and your opponent i, then your at a bad spot
and im not trying to say non master defenders cant beat master defenders, all im saying is that in the old frs more or less everyone was equal, but now with more diversity comes reason for permavert to be scrapped
and no im not saying i support either permavert or a quest based system
but you do make good points, no shrines means camp fest, can you imagine how bad mustafar would be? god it would never stop
syykodisco
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:35 am
#3
oh the insight...
you may have something, but nothing at all would suprise me if we ever get a FRS back.
MsNiL
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:09 am
#4
The pvp community in SWG is pretty small, so they are not likely to give Jedi to them this time around.
Also,the major partof theGCWcommunity do not want Jedi in the GCW. The GCW correspondant would sooner commit seppuko than making Jedi permaovert again, and if they had it their way, Jedi wouldnt even be able to go special forces.
Also,the major partof theGCWcommunity do not want Jedi in the GCW. The GCW correspondant would sooner commit seppuko than making Jedi permaovert again, and if they had it their way, Jedi wouldnt even be able to go special forces.
WilsonFisk
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:20 am
#5
MsNiL wrote:
The pvp community in SWG is pretty small, so they are not likely to give Jedi to them this time around.
Also, the major part of the GCW community do not want Jedi in the GCW. The GCW correspondant would sooner commit seppuko than making Jedi permaovert again, and if they had it their way, Jedi wouldnt even be able to go special forces.
although i enjoy your posts (for the most part) and like a couple of your ideas i have to disagree with you on one specific point: jedi is a, if not THE PvP class in this game. everything jedi centers around PvP. we are the only profession (or cluster of professions all united under the term "jedi") that can be forced to PvP at any time, anyplace, wether we like it or not. people can cry and moan all they want about the PvP aspect of jedi but that is exactly what we are. so if there SHOULD be a new FRS i hope it will have some aspects that are PvP.
Erynder
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:40 am
#6
MsNiL wrote:
The pvp community in SWG is pretty small, so they are not likely to give Jedi to them this time around.
Also,the major partof theGCWcommunity do not want Jedi in the GCW. The GCW correspondant would sooner commit seppuko than making Jedi permaovert again, and if they had it their way, Jedi wouldnt even be able to go special forces.
The pvp community in SWG has LEFT the game due to stupid changes. I am playing wow, I can go toa Battlefield any time of the day, with every battle I win, I gain honour, and I can ony gain rank by killing other people. In SWG you can PAY and be a Colonel.
I was a pvper in Ahazi who had 2100 pvprating and a permaovert Jedi for 6 months. Now my account is inactive for4 months.
So, pvp community is small now, but was HUGE. All SOE's fault.
MsNiL
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:45 am
#7
SoE already stated officially that they"will no longer force people into playstyles". The people who designed the old FRS and the TEF systemare gone and both are removed from the game.
WilsonFisk wrote:
although i enjoy your posts (for the most part) and like a couple of your ideas i have to disagree with you on one specific point: jedi is a, if not THE PvP class in this game. everything jedi centers around PvP. we are the only profession (or cluster of professions all united under the term "jedi") that can be forced to PvP at any time, anyplace, wether we like it or not. people can cry and moan all they want about the PvP aspect of jedi but that is exactly what we are. so if there SHOULD be a new FRS i hope it will have some aspects that are PvP.
Pretty much everything that made Jedi a pvp class have been removed. Almost no effort have been made to support pvp in this game more than simple code such as the "pvp rating". All content and both expansions are pve based, and even the majority of the gcw publish was pve focused. The old GCW correspondant got burned becouse of his anti-Jedi posts, and the new still keep "Jedi in the GCW" as one of the issues that needs a fix.
Not to mention that the great majority of Jedi are in fact pve players, not pvp players. There are no more than 25-50 pvp jedi per server with thousands of Jedi accounts.
So if you believe Jedi will be about pvp again you need a reality check.
WilsonFisk
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:51 am
#8
MsNiL wrote:
SoE already stated officially that they "will no longer force people into playstyles". The people who designed the old FRS and the TEF system are gone and both are removed from the game.
WilsonFisk wrote:
although i enjoy your posts (for the most part) and like a couple of your ideas i have to disagree with you on one specific point: jedi is a, if not THE PvP class in this game. everything jedi centers around PvP. we are the only profession (or cluster of professions all united under the term "jedi") that can be forced to PvP at any time, anyplace, wether we like it or not. people can cry and moan all they want about the PvP aspect of jedi but that is exactly what we are. so if there SHOULD be a new FRS i hope it will have some aspects that are PvP.
Pretty much everything that made Jedi a pvp class have been removed. Almost no effort have been made to support pvp in this game more than simple code such as the "pvp rating". All content and both expansions are pve based, and even the majority of the gcw publish was pve focused. The old GCW correspondant got burned becouse of his anti-Jedi posts, and the new still keep "Jedi in the GCW" as one of the issues that needs a fix.
Not to mention that the great majority of Jedi are in fact pve players, not pvp players. There are no more than 25-50 pvp jedi per server with thousands of Jedi accounts.
So if you believe Jedi will be about pvp again you need a reality check.
whoa i need a reality check? yea right. i wont even bother discussing with you. just ponder this question for a bit: if SOE wasnt to force people into playstyles, then why is there still a bountysystem in the game? isnt that forcing you to fight the BH that comes after you, thus forcing you into a certain playstyle...?
weeee
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:56 am
#9
MsNiL wrote:
SoE already stated officially that they "will no longer force people into playstyles". The people who designed the old FRS and the TEF system are gone and both are removed from the game.
WilsonFisk wrote:
although i enjoy your posts (for the most part) and like a couple of your ideas i have to disagree with you on one specific point: jedi is a, if not THE PvP class in this game. everything jedi centers around PvP. we are the only profession (or cluster of professions all united under the term "jedi") that can be forced to PvP at any time, anyplace, wether we like it or not. people can cry and moan all they want about the PvP aspect of jedi but that is exactly what we are. so if there SHOULD be a new FRS i hope it will have some aspects that are PvP.
Pretty much everything that made Jedi a pvp class have been removed. Almost no effort have been made to support pvp in this game more than simple code such as the "pvp rating". All content and both expansions are pve based, and even the majority of the gcw publish was pve focused. The old GCW correspondant got burned becouse of his anti-Jedi posts, and the new still keep "Jedi in the GCW" as one of the issues that needs a fix.
Not to mention that the great majority of Jedi are in fact pve players, not pvp players. There are no more than 25-50 pvp jedi per server with thousands of Jedi accounts.
So if you believe Jedi will be about pvp again you need a reality check.
Baciacca wrote:
I would not be so sure. The Devs have always said that the "FRS", new or old, is high end PVP content. Its not quest based. This is not to say I agree with it but just a side note.
I hope it is like Guaarr says =)
So don't be rude MSNiL please.
You always seems to know best so will proably make some worthless reply to this too.
Message Edited by weeee on 10-31-2005 12:00 PM
WizKid72
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:57 am
#10
Jedi made perma-overt in the FRS? Yeah right. We're too fricken weak now for that.
But knowing SOE, they're gonna make us perma-overt just to keep on raining on our parade as they've been doing since the day CU went live. Nothing but nerf, grief, nerf, and grief.
-PheaR-
Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:01 am
#11
Funny. Last time I talked to Vader he gave me a Special Forces task to kill 5/10/25/50 SF Rebels. Appearantly that's PvE based, too.
MsNiL wrote:
SoE already stated officially that they"will no longer force people into playstyles". The people who designed the old FRS and the TEF systemare gone and both are removed from the game.
WilsonFisk wrote:
although i enjoy your posts (for the most part) and like a couple of your ideas i have to disagree with you on one specific point: jedi is a, if not THE PvP class in this game. everything jedi centers around PvP. we are the only profession (or cluster of professions all united under the term "jedi") that can be forced to PvP at any time, anyplace, wether we like it or not. people can cry and moan all they want about the PvP aspect of jedi but that is exactly what we are. so if there SHOULD be a new FRS i hope it will have some aspects that are PvP.
Pretty much everything that made Jedi a pvp class have been removed. Almost no effort have been made to support pvp in this game more than simple code such as the "pvp rating". All content and both expansions are pve based, and even the majority of the gcw publish was pve focused. The old GCW correspondant got burned becouse of his anti-Jedi posts, and the new still keep "Jedi in the GCW" as one of the issues that needs a fix.
Not to mention that the great majority of Jedi are in fact pve players, not pvp players. There are no more than 25-50 pvp jedi per server with thousands of Jedi accounts.
So if you believe Jedi will be about pvp again you need a reality check.
MsNiL
Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:05 am
#12
WilsonFisk wrote:
whoa i need a reality check? yea right. i wont even bother discussing with you. just ponder this question for a bit: if SOE wasnt to force people into playstyles, then why is there still a bountysystem in the game? isnt that forcing you to fight the BH that comes after you, thus forcing you into a certain playstyle...?
The first year SWG had a few developers from Ultima Online who where very focused on pvp. The last forced pvp components where introduced along with the Jedi revamp. The GCW publish with which they stated "will not force people into playstyles" came after that. With a new Jedi system I wouldnt be surprised if the BH system was changed with something else.
weeee
Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:05 am
#13
Yeah I have got 2 pvp quests from Lord Vader.
But accutly they are PVE quests.
When you get the quest the game Spawns NPC that looks like real players and you kill them.
The NPCS even tells you. God you "#%"%"# I hate you. You are a "#%&"#%"#%". So it would be more realistic!
But accutly they are PVE quests.
When you get the quest the game Spawns NPC that looks like real players and you kill them.
The NPCS even tells you. God you "#%"%"# I hate you. You are a "#%&"#%"#%". So it would be more realistic!
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