Jedi Archive
Thread: Jedi are to uber nerf them nerf them !!!!
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Miffo
Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:31 am
#1
Not really....
Jedi are by far the weakest melee combat proff in the game.
Fight Any melee with doc 4004 tka 0400 and atleast Swordsman 0030 , you'll lose
ME and a few friends fought this template:
Him : mSwordsman,doc 4004, tka 0400 fencer 0304
My friends : all PRECU jedi
FOTM template mLS enhance 4402 heal 4000 def 4040 10FC 730 max saber experienced Duelist
Long fight but lost.
Ls 0443 mdef enhance 4002 heal 4000 690 12 FC experienced duelist
Long fight but lost
Menhancer/mls heal 4004 710 15 FC saber expeienced duelist
Lost very fast
Mdef/MLS heal 3000 enhance 0002 715 at 13 FC experienced duelist
Lost
THe swordsman gear:
6.5K energy PAdded armor 1.2mill
75% armorbreak slices on all parts 1Mill
Avarange ph 800k
----------------------------------
3milll
JEdi gear:
Mods :: 10milll-15Mill
Saber :
Priceless but perhaps around 100Mill?
------------------------------
100MIll+
ANd jedi are overpowered? , underpowered is the correct term....
sli-aib
Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:35 am
#2
Yep your right Tandor I dont know any jedi thats could beat a decent swordsman/doc with average gear, its jusy not possible unless you get lucky with a kd bug or something similar.
Please dont come come on here saying that you could, if you can you havent met a decent one!
mindspat
Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:43 am
#3
This is more of a problem associated with the post-cu nearf on Jedi healing ablities.
Also, Jedi really shouldn't be an "I win" template regardless of what the view is.
And yes, I agree it's frustrating. Jedi characters shouldn't be better by default.
Miffo
Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:44 am
#4
it hasnt anything to do with the healing ability really its the fact that it makes 0 sense that Innate armor (which is basicly you toughning urself up) can be armorbroken. While with the armorbreaking slices armorbreak has no effect and the overpowered Non jedi heals and yes it shouldnt be an iwin button and yes preCU there were also some people it was impossible to beat but then again: there gear was probably worth 2x as much as the jedi's so then i can understand it
Message Edited by Miffo on 10-17-2005 05:45 PM
Cojonelso
Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:49 am
#5
Don't go to the old Pre Cu thing.....
I was a TKM /melee stacker Pre CU and I think I only ever met One Jedi that beat me.... and that was cause he used his FR ALOT!!!
even in Pre Cu jedi was never really what it was in the movies..... pre ...post.... it don't matter
MoJawK
Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:02 am
#6
Miffo wrote:Not really....Jedi are by far the weakest melee combat proff in the game.Fight Any melee with doc 4004 tka 0400 and atleast Swordsman 0030 , you'll loseME and a few friends fought this template:Him : mSwordsman,doc 4004, tka 0400 fencer 0304My friends : all PRECU jedi
FOTM template mLS enhance 4402 heal 4000 def 4040 10FC 730 max saber experienced DuelistLong fight but lost.Ls 0443 mdef enhance 4002 heal 4000 690 12 FC experienced duelistLong fight but lostMenhancer/mls heal 4004 710 15 FC saber expeienced duelistLost very fastMdef/MLS heal 3000 enhance 0002 715 at 13 FC experienced duelistLostTHe swordsman gear:6.5K energy PAdded armor 1.2mill75% armorbreak slices on all parts 1MillAvarange ph 800k----------------------------------3milllJEdi gear:Mods :: 10milll-15MillSaber :Priceless but perhaps around 100Mill?------------------------------100MIll+ANd jedi are overpowered? , underpowered is the correct term....
lol. i have MLS + MP so thats pretty much the highest DPS template you can go with Jedi, I also have a 810 dps saber, 630-730, 1.11 modified speed and I've seen docs that could tank me ALL day. I spend a good 100 million on my LS and looted a ton of pearls too, probably spent about tripple that on attachments pre and post cu. Pretty much capped on all mods post CU and they removed defence stalking for what reason exactly lol
However this action cost on healing will mean they can pretty much HEAL or ATTACK and if they start spamming heals, no action for KD recovery etc. This might balance the game alot more between jedi / normies but there are still ALOT of balance issue's in the jedi disciplines.
Message Edited by MoJawK on 10-17-2005 05:05 PM
Penguinzx
Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:09 pm
#7
This may be a dumb question, but in all of these duels with the Doc/Swordsman, did any of the jedi try kiting? I realize Jedi are used to standing toe to toe and just wailing away, and most of your high damage attacks are in melee range, but you also need to recognize your opponents weakness. A pure melee doc template has 0 ranged ability. If you're outside of lunge range you can't be touched. As an MLS you have not only decent damage with saber throw, but a ranged KD. Enhancers have several tricks for maintaining distance. Powers is all about ranged fighting.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying non-jedi heals aren't a bit overpowering. Make no mistake, the problem here is not the melee component, it's the healing. My guild leader is a rather talented MDoc/MCM, I'm an MBH/Mrifle, and I can't kill her. Even with a damage capped rifle, luilris pie, and a doc speed buff I can't deal enough damage to get past her heals. What I am saying though is even if you can't beat the heals of a Melee/Doc, you shouldn't be losing to one either. Played correctly, this has stalemate written all over it.Jedi can deal damage all day long from range and never get close enough where they can hit you, manage your force pool and this fight will never end.
Just because Melee/Doc's are tough to kill, doesn't mean Jedi are underpowered. It may mean doc healing needs to be re-evaluated, but finding a template you can't beat doesn't necessarily mean your whole class is weak.
Terran_Riik
Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:38 pm
#8
Miffo wrote:
Not really....
Jedi are by far the weakest melee combat proff in the game.
Fight Any melee with doc 4004 tka 0400 and atleast Swordsman 0030 , you'll lose
ME and a few friends fought this template:
Him : mSwordsman,doc 4004, tka 0400 fencer 0304
My friends : all PRECU jedi
FOTM template mLS enhance 4402 heal 4000 def 4040 10FC 730 max saber experienced Duelist
Long fight but lost.
Ls 0443 mdef enhance 4002 heal 4000 690 12 FC experienced duelist
Long fight but lost
Menhancer/mls heal 4004 710 15 FC saber expeienced duelist
Lost very fast
Mdef/MLS heal 3000 enhance 0002 715 at 13 FC experienced duelist
Lost
THe swordsman gear:
6.5K energy PAdded armor 1.2mill
75% armorbreak slices on all parts 1Mill
Avarange ph 800k
----------------------------------
3milll
JEdi gear:
Mods :: 10milll-15Mill
Saber :
Priceless but perhaps around 100Mill?
------------------------------
100MIll+
ANd jedi are overpowered? , underpowered is the correct term....
Cry some more..... Apparently you don't know how to play it well because in pvp I regularly get hit for 700-900 by jedi when mostnon-jedi I see can only do 200-500 damage per shot (including me)
Brooklynjibaro
Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:37 am
#10
Miffo wrote:
Not really....
Jedi are by far the weakest melee combat proff in the game.
Fight Any melee with doc 4004 tka 0400 and atleast Swordsman 0030 , you'll lose
ME and a few friends fought this template:
Him : mSwordsman,doc 4004, tka 0400 fencer 0304
My friends : all PRECU jedi
FOTM template mLS enhance 4402 heal 4000 def 4040 10FC 730 max saber experienced Duelist
Long fight but lost.
Ls 0443 mdef enhance 4002 heal 4000 690 12 FC experienced duelist
Long fight but lost
Menhancer/mls heal 4004 710 15 FC saber expeienced duelist
Lost very fast
Mdef/MLS heal 3000 enhance 0002 715 at 13 FC experienced duelist
Lost
THe swordsman gear:
6.5K energy PAdded armor 1.2mill
75% armorbreak slices on all parts 1Mill
Avarange ph 800k
----------------------------------
3milll
JEdi gear:
Mods :: 10milll-15Mill
Saber :
Priceless but perhaps around 100Mill?
------------------------------
100MIll+
ANd jedi are overpowered? , underpowered is the correct term....
How 'bout Mpowers?
CabraofGorath
Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:41 am
#11
mindspat wrote:
This is more of a problem associated with the post-cu nearf on Jedi healing ablities.
Also, Jedi really shouldn't be an "I win" template regardless of what the view is.
And yes, I agree it's frustrating. Jedi characters shouldn't be better by default.
Yup....we only grinded for 6+ months at min. to get our jedi...spent countless mils on pearls or tons of time farming.....but no...your right...we should be just as strong as a normal elite prof temp that took 1 month MAX!.....your so right....we should be equal
/sarcasm off
HarlequinMK19
Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:47 am
#12
mindspat wrote:
This is more of a problem associated with the post-cu nearf on Jedi healing ablities.
Also, Jedi really shouldn't be an "I win" template regardless of what the view is.
And yes, I agree it's frustrating. Jedi characters shouldn't be better by default.
Melee shouldn't be better by default either.
Butguess what.
It is.
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