Jedi Archive
Thread: My 2 Cents on the Nerfs
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TrueFett
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:32 am
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Ok let's start this out by saying that i have been playing since day 1 and i have to say that i have enjoyed the game from time to time.. pvp and pve wise.. but.. the time has come to add my 2 cents about the up coming ToOW pack.
First off.. let me say that since the first week.. i have been weighing the pros and cons of keeping the game since there are a few other MMORPG's on the market now. Understand that this is just MY opinion and no one elses so no flames please. Im only trying to make a point here.
Pro's for me since launch (IMHO)
Mounts (not really that great considering vehicles were added soon after) Vehicles - House packup - Jedi changes in patch 9 - in game buffs Post CU (mixed feelings on this one), Combat Upgrade (yes.. i did like this somewhat considering that it did take away the uber mind posion and combat medic kill30 people at a timetemplates)
Cons for me since launch
Constant nerfs since patch 1 for every profession, lack of content, lack of game breaking bug fixes, uninteresting content, poor loot system, poor loot rate drop on special items (aka jet pack parts, crystals etc) one sided loot system (post CU BH loot), persistant Jedi Nerfs, game bugs (stuck in wall, falling through floors etc), Melee stackers, lack of variety in templates (viable ones that is depending on era.. doc/tka fotm, doc/rifle fotm, BH/CM fotm post cu etc) poor CSR support, poor feedback from correspondants, poor skill sets surrounded by uninteresting xp grinding (post and pre cu), exploiters being allowed to remain in game after a short ban (credit dupers and others were allowed back in game), removal of premium crystals and high end loot for standard professions (see post cu BH loot), lack of players after CU and the xp nerf fiasco, reduction in the number of venders for armor, weapons and items (since 1/2 the server left with the xp nerf) worthless trees in skill sets (aka jedi healer 0444 and master, enhancer 0004 post cu, defence 0400 post CU, some smuggler lines etc) very small choice of creatures to hunt for loot (aka nightsisters, BH marks, Kryats and Nekrosis), lack of monthly updates to story line or content, uninteresting space expansion (yes.. i hate space.. starfox64 on N64 was more exciting than flying 30 mins to a WP and killing the same ships over and over) Im sure there are more but i got depressed typing them all.. heh
Whats the point to this rant?
The thing i want to point out is this.. Why should we buy the new ToOW expansion and waste another $60 (since i have to get one for me and for the wife) when it has far less than 1/2 the content of ROTW pack (and btw.. the ROTW pack lost its appeal after 1 week for me) less loot and less interesting content. So you get an orange lava saber and a few new robes for jedi.. whoop de freakin do.. i mean.. it doesnt add any more damage, speed or anything exciting and who will actually wear any of the robes over BE clothing and a backpack anyway? I know i wont unless they have some AMAZING abilities i havent heard about yet.
Also... All im hearing from ALL the beta testers is that everything about jedi is being nerfed. Not only Jedi.. but other professions as well.. Jedi will have no way at all of escaping a BH with the coming nerfs to cloak, force run, AI and other skills with this expansion. And ranger and smuggler will get a cloak? Why should a profession that takes 2 days max to grind get skills a jedi has (or better skills than a jedi has actually) when jedi takes at least 2 weeks to grind (if you play like i did)
Someone did say that SOE is fixing the force regen and pool.. BUT... didnt they just do that.. How much do you wanna bet that its just a repost of the same fix they just did .. that basically didnt help force regen at all.. thats just my guess.
Now no.. i admit i have not played the beta and frankly i am not interested in it at all after hearing these reports from the testers. I will hang around til the expansion to see if it is as bad as everyone is claiming. SOE has one last chance in my eyes to make the game what it should be beforei leave and this is it but im very doubtful that this expansion will contain anything exciting other than more nerfs and hype.
I do have to say that i kind of expected these nerfs(especially with all the DWB cloak and forcerun exploiters) seeing how SOE has done nothing but nerf the game since day 1.. but what really gets me is this... Me and my wife left SWG for over a year because of the lack of content and the constant nerfs.. yet we came back on the insistance of a friend.. and when we arrived after the CU.. to our amazement.. SOE has done nothing but nerf nerf nerf since then.. not only Jedi.. but every profession except BH and a few others. Was i mistaken in thinking that they worked for 2 years on a combat upgrade that was supposed to fix a ton of issues other than paving the way for future nerfs? I mean.. it could be me.. but if i worked for a company, promised them a fix for something.. waited 2 years to deliver it and then when i did.. the thing that i delivered blew up 1/2 the company.. id think i would get fired... wouldn't you?
Now... with that said.. here is what i see for the future...
1. Everyone on the server will have a BH alternate for loot and to hunt jedi. (if they dont already have one) BH will be the ONLY profession to get any kind of high end loot until the loot system is revamped.. which will prob be never.
2. Seeing a Jedi will be very rare after the next patch -- becuase all post CU jedi with unfinished templates will have no way to defeat a BH in "god mode" -- aka BH/CM with buffs, sliced weapons/armor with snares and roots so most will quit or play an alt character 99% of the time.
3. Saber speed is now nerfed completely and is NOT a bug (as Tiggs admited a few weeks ago.. then recanted) meaning even the Jedi with PreCu sabers now stand no chance against a buffed BH/CM with the speed debuff, DOT ticks and the coming nerfs and snares/roots. Master powers viable now? I think not.
4. Jedi have lost all escape skills due to the AI, ForceRun, Cloak snares, roots and other nerfs so jedi is no longer a viable play style for most people.. me included. I personally refuse to play a standard profession again because of the amount of work we have put intomyJedi character.. which by SOE's on definition was supposed to be the "end game" profession of choice from day 1 and are the focal selling point of the game for SOE for me as for many others.
5. No one has mentioned any /respec at all even with all the nerfs and i dont expect to see one considering SOEs past track record.
6. Powers templates will become more popular? now that saber skills (maybe all jedi skills) now have increased action and mind costs with this update. Depending on how the action and mind costs for saber skills are implemented.. master powers may also not be viable if they also have increased action and mind costs along with a heavy force cost and ungodly slow cooldown timers. Time will tell.
7. No more Jedi hybrid temps period. With the coming nerfs everyone will have torevert back to double masters just to be able to stand a chance against any target.. pvp and pve included. Expect to see a lot of master LS master Def temps popping up just for the added force and block.. or master powers master def depending on how the nerfs hit. No more jedi saber kiting a BH or jedi using a rifle etc period because of the coming nerf to def and speed while holding anything but a saber. If you see a BH plan to die... period.. how can you fight against a BH 64m away with a 1000-1400 damage rifle while snared and rooted, posioned, on fire and diseased??
8. Within 3 months the server population will be gutted again by 1/2 as the new Jedi and XP nerfs hits again. and yes.. don't think they haven't forgotten about this one.. its still in the code and they WILL add it back in as soon as they have time.. Tiggs already stated this.. just maybe not as harsh as they did a month ago.
9. Increased village and quest difficulties for any remaining players. Imagine grinding for jedi with no one to group with in the current system. Right now.. the people who are working for jedi at least have someone to group with if they can find a group.. but with the nerfs to jedi there will be fewer and fewer spin groups. ( yes this is what soe wanted) BUT.... when the new players cant find a group and level in a fair amount of time.. they will quit also.. so what does that leave? empty servers (emptier than they are now!)
Now.. I expect some flames.. but as i said.. this is just what i see with the current status of the game. Before you flame me and tell me i dont know what the hell im talking about consider this..
When was the last time you were in a PVP battle with more than the same 8-15 people? (maybe 20-30 if its a well posted battle)
How many of them were jedi from precu who have stuck the game out through all its nerfs?
How many of your guild quit with the XP nerf a few months ago?
Better yet.. how many of them came back?
How many new people have quit after they couldnt get in an "All CL 80 Spin group"?
How many times have you been in space in the past 3 weeks? unless your grinding for ace
How many times has SOE nerfed professions (any profession) since patch 1? ( i DARE anyone to answer this one or the next one with a vaild count!)
How much content has been added other than DWB, Corvette and the expansion?
When was the last time you saw a new and exciting creature?
When was the last time you got a good loot drop? (unless your BH or a cave box camper)
When was the last time you killed anything over level 90? (unless your a jedi with master defence and camp nekrosis or some level 111 guys on dantooine)
How long have you been waiting on the FRS while SOE added nerf after nerf? ( last count umm what.. 7 months?)
What do you have to look forward to when you log in besides spinning pickets? Unless your temps complete.. then ask yourself
what do you have to look forward to when you log in other than constantly camping boring spawns for substandard loot (unless your a masterBH for elite marks)
How many times a day do you find yourself standing in towns looking or something to do?
Do you know where a good and fully stocked Armor/Weapon/Droid/Chef/Tailor merchient is? ( one that actuallyis still in game a lot of you need something special made)
When was the last time you mined in space? (if you could ever figure out how the hell to mine in space)
Last but not least....
Do you see the game getting any better and tons of people floodingin with this expansion??
True
Angamarth
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:03 am
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TrueFett wrote:
When was the last time you were in a PVP battle with more than the same 8-15 people? (maybe 20-30 if its a well posted battle) Just before they removed bounty hunter gank squads. I don't care for GCW PvP because it always turns into finger-pointing and whining.
How many of them were jedi from precu who have stuck the game out through all its nerfs?N/A
How many of your guild quit with the XP nerf a few months ago? 5 out of 68
Better yet.. how many of them came back?4 were back within a month.
How many new people have quit after they couldnt get in an "All CL 80 Spin group"?Never seen it happen, there are plenty of groups at MO
How many times have you been in space in the past 3 weeks? unless your grinding for ace Yesterday, been Ace a long time. I enjoy space.
How many times has SOE nerfed professions (any profession) since patch 1? ( i DARE anyone to answer this one or the next one with a vaild count!) Since it is 'PC' to count any balance or change in a profession as a nerf, the answer is every patch. Nerfs are like UFOs, if you go looking for them you see them everywhere.
How much content has been added other than DWB, Corvette and the expansion? Expansions.Story arcs, the faction leaders landing and handing out missions, the 'planetary control' part of the GCW, the Geo caves, the hero quest, the Village, the Wookiee Lifeday quests, additional space missions.
When was the last time you saw a new and exciting creature?Last expansion.
When was the last time you got a good loot drop? (unless your BH or a cave box camper)Guess it depends on what you define as 'good loot.' I get great REable components in space, I get some very nice weapons on Kashyyyk, I get good tissues and gorax shards from the appropriate spawn, I get NPC loot from the Vette and Avatar Station, I get jetpack parts from the DWB. Used to get good geo loot from the geo caves, but since most of the weapons requiring Geo parts arent' a viable level anymore, those aren't quite as thrilling.
When was the last time you killed anything over level 90? (unless your a jedi with master defence and camp nekrosis or some level 111 guys on dantooine)Does killing Necrosis with a ranged group count? we do it quite often without Jedi.
How long have you been waiting on the FRS while SOE added nerf after nerf? ( last count umm what.. 7 months?)Been waiting ever since it was removed, but really could care less. If it's PvP oreinted, it will be suceptible to fight clubbing, if it's PvE oriented, it'll just be another grind, and there's no way around either of those problems. I'll partake in it when it comes out, but I don't think it's going to make anything better, it will just create more reasons for people to whine.
What do you have to look forward to when you log in besides spinning pickets? Unless your temps complete.. then ask yourself
what do you have to look forward to when you log in other than constantly camping boring spawns for substandard loot (unless your a masterBH for elite marks) Helping my guildmates along, doing things like DWB raids, Necrosis runs, Geo cave runs, flying, making weapons and starship parts for people, maintaining my harvesters, slicing for people, maintaining my vendors, making loot runs on mobs that drop weapon enhancers, REing great starship equipment.
How many times a day do you find yourself standing in towns looking or something to do?Never. I don't have enough time to do everything I want to do.
Do you know where a good and fully stocked Armor/Weapon/Droid/Chef/Tailor merchient is? ( one that actuallyis still in game a lot of you need something special made)Yes.
When was the last time you mined in space? (if you could ever figure out how the hell to mine in space)At least once a week, and it wasn't all that hard to figure out. Need the asteroid minerals to make vehicle repair kits and some of the starship components.
Last but not least....
Do you see the game getting any better and tons of people floodingin with this expansion??I enjoyed beta testing the expansion, and see many opportunites for guild events on Mustafar. I would like to have found more schematics, but hopefully that will pan out. I think it will help my enjoyment and my guilds enjoyment of the game.
True
kobra09
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:05 am
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i unfortunately have to agree with you. I started playing in jan of 04 and have to agree with every statement you've made. Why do i keep reminiscing(sp) about my mls/mh/enh4004 jedi knight from pre cu. Though I enjoy powers and its a lot of fun, my m healer was so much more fun. Now i log in go overt and look for rebels and find none. The only pvpers left on bria(which is the largest server) are now just guild warring. It's very depressing for those in smaller guilds who cannot guild war when we can't get in on the action. And then the action is retarded because its a quarter of the speed that combat was pre cu. That is my biggest complaint. Combat was so much more intense and fast paced. Nowadays if i look the other way for a second its no big deal im still waiting for the cool down timer. Before the cu if i did that i could have died, because m healers took so much damage, but could heal it in a sec. I miss that, I miss the rush and i don't think its ever going to come back in this game. I actually miss mind damage of all things. Yeah it sucked for people who couldn't do mind damage, but it made things much more fast paced, you had to kill the guy before he blew your mind away. Sigh.
Spaceballs: The Guild
frequence
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:15 am
#4
so sad and so true.
ToOW will be the line for me.
depending on this i will cancel or wait for the next gamebreaking nerf....err i mean pub
ToOW will be the line for me.
depending on this i will cancel or wait for the next gamebreaking nerf....err i mean pub
BekiSavi
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:20 am
#5
Sadly, I have to agree with you. I believe another mass exodus is lurking on the horizon. If things happen that I hear about on the beta test, I know I am on the outta here bandwagon.
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