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Thread: Tiggs, are you serious ?
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Erynder
Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:58 pm
#1
Tiggs : '' I will send an email about this after I am done posting. I can totally relate to the grinding and lives outside of the game. Imagine working on the game and then playing it when you get home? It doesn't feel like you have left work really. Anyway, there will always be balance passes done and yes as much as it kills us when it makes one profession a "Flavor of the Month" so to speak, we don't know until we see it played out on Live servers (sorry TC folks). Then the balancing is done again and the viscious circle continues. ''
This is whatTiggs wrote in this thread :
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1275220&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Basically, you mean that, you need to push the publish live to see if the changes you have made will create a FOTM or not. First of all, this isa big slap on TC players. Honestly, I don't even understand why people are playing on your test centers, and I respect them more than anyone else. But what you have written is unacceptable.
This is the game you have created. I am a veteran player and as soon as you give me publish notes, just after READING them, I know what's gonna be FOTM. As soon as you have released Publish 9 documents, I knew that Master Enhancer with ForceRun3 would be FOTM.
With CU, as soon as I read what cloak would do, I knew that everyone would have cloak in their templates till it's nerfed.
As soon as you released the Squad Leader documents, I knew that half of the player population would go SL because everyone wants to kill things / their targets as soon as possible.
What you're saying is; in the whole SOE, there is NOONE that could guess this, and you have to push the publish, see what becomes FOTM from1 month to 3 months, then make your nerfs.
This business model is unacceptable. You need to hire players to predict you the effects of your changes. It could be done by listening to your player base, but for some reason, you don't do that.
This is another post by Tiggsfrom the same thread :
Answered what I could. I need to be in the office to check on the other questions. ''
Baciacca wrote:
FRS No eta for this at this time.
- What is the status and ETA for this?
- Will there be a respec with the new FRS?
- Details....
Pearls/Lightsaber: Pearls are currently being worked on and I have no information on them yet.
- Is there any plan to change the way the current tuning system works?
- What is the ETA on getting premium pearls back?
- What is the ETA on a fix for the saber speed bugs?
- Will Dervish and Saber Slash ever get fixed?
Powers/Healer: All classes are constantly monitored for balance. I do not know what is up next but I can check on these.
- Is there any plans to take out the Zipbars from Weilder abilities?
- Will current Action/Mind costs from Healer and Powers be reduced?
- Will Powers be balanced with LS (ex. Item that increases dmg, reduces speed and force cost)?
- Will Healer get balanced with other healer classes?
Discipline There was a document being worked on and I will have to see how far along it is. Priorities shifted to ToW so this document may be incomplete.
- What is the specific role of each discipline?
- What is the specific role of Avoid Incap, Cloak, and Stasis?
- What is the future vision of each Discipline?
- Can the community get an explanation for theVisibility system from top to bottom. (not a bunch of guesses by us players, cold hard facts)
The answers you have given aboveare the following :
FRS No eta for this at this time. Pearls/Lightsaber: Pearls are currently being worked on and I have no information on them yet.
Powers/Healer: All classes are constantly monitored for balance. I do not know what is up next but I can check on these.
Discipline There was a document being worked on and I will have to see how far along it is. Priorities shifted to ToW so this document may be incomplete.
I could have given the same answers by not even knowing anyone from SOE. Political answers are the same everywhere :
'' Working on it. '' '' No ETA at this time '' '' As soon as possible '' '' I know my colleagues were working on that issue, need to double check'' '' Priorities have changed '''' We want this solved more than you ''
State of the game :
GCW : Dead due to the ability to spam bases, and GCW having no meaning.
FRS : My Enforcer Robe is just occupying space in my inventory. You could have understood how important that Black Robe is for ALL OF US just by checking how many pre-CU Knights still haven't deleted their robes despite their usefulness.
PVP : The guy I killed 5 seconds ago can come back and fight me with an empty stomach. Mor ebugs and exploits than I can count.
LOOT : There's no loot. Thank you for increasing AI on mobs, but let me ask you one question : Why would I even fight a NS Stalker in the first place ?
DUNGEONS : DWB & Geonosian Cave : Hello Devs. There used to be a place called Geo Caves. There was a spider in there whichdropped nice poison components and there was a mob called Acklay which dropped Acklay bones. And mobs there dropped sword cores, cubes and geo pistols. ALL are useless now and that place is empty. How about changing the loot there so at least a few people go there ?
I quit the game 3 months ago, but was hoping for some changes in the meantime. Now I lost my all hope, and I am quitting the forums, too. SOE did an awesome job forcing me play a cartoonish game like wow despite my love for Star Wars and my Jedi.
Tiggs, ALL SOE's problems can be solved by hiring 20 Intelligent people who play this game and can give you ideas and feedbacks BEFORE you push something to Test Center and Live. They can interact with the community in forums, and together make a perfect game. I can't believe how you can not see a simple thing likethis.
dino666
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:02 am
#2
Their can be no doubt,
When the dev team posts that each publish they look at what clases become popular and nerf them we are looking to endless nerfs for ever and ever as they the dev team change the game mechanics over and over.
When 2 years after the game is released its still going through major changes and game altering nerfs.
When their is no pvp reward system in place but the players are forced into pvp at any time anywhere but setting inside their house.
When the community is in such an uproar that it scares new players intio quitting from reading the boards.
When the servers are making it hard to get in good groups.
When we have a dev chat and dev uses a handle called blizzard you know we are in trouble.
_Saevio_
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:04 am
#3
Erynder wrote:
Tiggs : '' I will send an email about this after I am done posting. I can totally relate to the grinding and lives outside of the game. Imagine working on the game and then playing it when you get home? It doesn't feel like you have left work really. Anyway, there will always be balance passes done and yes as much as it kills us when it makes one profession a "Flavor of the Month" so to speak, we don't know until we see it played out on Live servers (sorry TC folks). Then the balancing is done again and the viscious circle continues. ''
This is whatTiggs wrote in this thread :
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1275220&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Basically, you mean that, you need to push the publish live to see if the changes you have made will create a FOTM or not. First of all, this isa big slap on TC players. Honestly, I don't even understand why people are playing on your test centers, and I respect them more than anyone else. But what you have written is unacceptable.
This is the game you have created. I am a veteran player and as soon as you give me publish notes, just after READING them, I know what's gonna be FOTM. As soon as you have released Publish 9 documents, I knew that Master Enhancer with ForceRun3 would be FOTM.
With CU, as soon as I read what cloak would do, I knew that everyone would have cloak in their templates till it's nerfed.
As soon as you released the Squad Leader documents, I knew that half of the player population would go SL because everyone wants to kill things / their targets as soon as possible.
What you're saying is; in the whole SOE, there is NOONE that could guess this, and you have to push the publish, see what becomes FOTM from1 month to 3 months, then make your nerfs.
This business model is unacceptable. You need to hire players to predict you the effects of your changes. It could be done by listening to your player base, but for some reason, you don't do that.
This is another post by Tiggsfrom the same thread :
Answered what I could. I need to be in the office to check on the other questions. ''
Baciacca wrote:
FRS No eta for this at this time.
- What is the status and ETA for this?
- Will there be a respec with the new FRS?
- Details....
Pearls/Lightsaber: Pearls are currently being worked on and I have no information on them yet.
- Is there any plan to change the way the current tuning system works?
- What is the ETA on getting premium pearls back?
- What is the ETA on a fix for the saber speed bugs?
- Will Dervish and Saber Slash ever get fixed?
Powers/Healer: All classes are constantly monitored for balance. I do not know what is up next but I can check on these.
- Is there any plans to take out the Zipbars from Weilder abilities?
- Will current Action/Mind costs from Healer and Powers be reduced?
- Will Powers be balanced with LS (ex. Item that increases dmg, reduces speed and force cost)?
- Will Healer get balanced with other healer classes?
Discipline There was a document being worked on and I will have to see how far along it is. Priorities shifted to ToW so this document may be incomplete.
- What is the specific role of each discipline?
- What is the specific role of Avoid Incap, Cloak, and Stasis?
- What is the future vision of each Discipline?
- Can the community get an explanation for theVisibility system from top to bottom. (not a bunch of guesses by us players, cold hard facts)
The answers you have given aboveare the following :
FRS No eta for this at this time. Pearls/Lightsaber: Pearls are currently being worked on and I have no information on them yet.
Powers/Healer: All classes are constantly monitored for balance. I do not know what is up next but I can check on these.
Discipline There was a document being worked on and I will have to see how far along it is. Priorities shifted to ToW so this document may be incomplete.
I could have given the same answers by not even knowing anyone from SOE. Political answers are the same everywhere :
'' Working on it. '' '' No ETA at this time '' '' As soon as possible '' '' I know my colleagues were working on that issue, need to double check'' '' Priorities have changed '''' We want this solved more than you ''
State of the game :
GCW : Dead due to the ability to spam bases, and GCW having no meaning.
FRS : My Enforcer Robe is just occupying space in my inventory. You could have understood how important that Black Robe is for ALL OF US just by checking how many pre-CU Knights still haven't deleted their robes despite their usefulness.
PVP : The guy I killed 5 seconds ago can come back and fight me with an empty stomach. Mor ebugs and exploits than I can count.
LOOT : There's no loot. Thank you for increasing AI on mobs, but let me ask you one question : Why would I even fight a NS Stalker in the first place ?
DUNGEONS : DWB & Geonosian Cave : Hello Devs. There used to be a place called Geo Caves. There was a spider in there whichdropped nice poison components and there was a mob called Acklay which dropped Acklay bones. And mobs there dropped sword cores, cubes and geo pistols. ALL are useless now and that place is empty. How about changing the loot there so at least a few people go there ?
I quit the game 3 months ago, but was hoping for some changes in the meantime. Now I lost my all hope, and I am quitting the forums, too. SOE did an awesome job forcing me play a cartoonish game like wow despite my love for Star Wars and my Jedi.
Tiggs, ALL SOE's problems can be solved by hiring 20 Intelligent people who play this game and can give you ideas and feedbacks BEFORE you push something to Test Center and Live. They can interact with the community in forums, and together make a perfect game. I can't believe how you can not see a simple thing likethis.
So true... hell, I'd be willing to do this without even any pay, just give me free expansions and free subscription for one account and i'd be more than happy to help... hell I come up with ideas that I think would make this game better for everyone on a daily basis and write them in a notepad... and I also browse the forums at least twice a day... and I KNOW I'm not the only one who does these things... And honestly, they already have this... It's not like we, the community, keep our ideas secret, we post them in the forums all the time, we have coorespondants who submit our ideas as well... The problem is SOE just ignores us completely... They kick/ban/suspend to their hearts content and don't even give us a second thought... /shrug That's why this game is being shotgunned to hell along with many other MMOs...
Penguinzx
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:09 am
#4
Yup, I'd say this kind of sums things up. No communication; and when there is, there's no information; and even when there's information it just makes you scratch your head because there's obviously no direction.
I have to agree with the forced grouping issue as well. This needs to be done away with. While you can get xp very quickly if you have a great grind group, if you're not a cl80 or aJedi you can spend an hour or two just trying to find a group that will let you join them. To me, if there's no real point in killing the MOB(ie. no loot) there's no reason it should take 3 or 4 minutes to kill each one solo. I see no problem with having elite and boss level marks with high ham that require groups to kill, but why can't normal mission mobs be reduced to a level where solo'ing them quickly isn't a problem?
SeeruFlock
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:16 am
#5
Erynder wrote:
Tiggs, ALL SOE's problems can be solved by hiring 20 Intelligent people who play this game and can give you ideas and feedbacks BEFORE you push something to Test Center and Live. They can interact with the community in forums, and together make a perfect game. I can't believe how you can not see a simple thing likethis.
You mean like Correspondents - players who do it for FREE, report problems/bugs/ideas/etc affecting their professions and getting little to none response that the NDAs probably forbid to forward to the players anyway?
They get enough feedback, but it's like talking to a wall or screaming at a black hole. Won't do much good...sadly. They obviously know better.
My suggestion to them is a quote from the SW universe:
If one person calls you a Hutt ignore him.
If a second person calls you a Hutt start to wonder.
If a third person calls you a Hutt get a drool bucket and start stocking spice.
(at last count over 400 ppl let You know that they were unhappy with movement buffs)
Message Edited by SeeruFlock on 10-24-2005 11:18 AM
Tufel_Hunden
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:22 am
#6
This explains why the CU was such a massive debacle. It was an absolute travesty it got pushed to live after such a short testing time as bugged and unbalanced as it was. They are still fixing bugs from the it.
They might as well close TC down, it's apparently useless.
They might as well close TC down, it's apparently useless.
JediForceSeeker
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:26 am
#7
Tufel_Hunden wrote:
This explains why the CU was such a massive debacle. It was an absolute travesty it got pushed to live after such a short testing time as bugged and unbalanced as it was. They are still fixing bugs from the it.
They might as well close TC down, it's apparently useless.
The whole game in general. Every game has their bugs, but this is a bit overboard...
Twilekku
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:28 am
#8
Sure its not Tiggs fault but after all shes gettin paid for dealing with us.
And his points werent that false
although i think its all hopeless anyway.. they will never listen
And his points werent that false
although i think its all hopeless anyway.. they will never listen
Darkhalo25
Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:58 am
#9
I have one out of three accounts still alive, and its a noob cause my other accounts were swordsmen jedi and ran out of funds. At this point the only reason i have this one is the fact that its still got game card credit on it til december. I have stated that the cu was under tested and that we should have had a say in whether our servers wanted it or not. I have had a friends list go from having over 50 peps on at one time to around 5 at the times it use to be most popular, and truefully only reason i got that many is from meeting new players. Im not saying that making the mobs unsoloable was bad or making it so that a swordsmen couldnt tank a krayt is wrong but it could have been fixed to be harder or different in pre cu combat. The whole level thing is stupid and there should be some decent stuff that is still soloable just cause sometimes you dont got friends online or want to do it alone. Why the hell soe cant understand this as many times as others have said it is to me just a show of they have no interest in what players think
omgwtfbbqpwned
Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:46 am
#10
ok. first off, tiggs is a csr rep who gets info from the devs and relates it back to us.
secondly, they can only see if a template becomes fotm, because there are hardly any players on testcenter for them to make a judgement. if more people actually logged on testcenter and played different professions, then everything would start to become balanced. however, most people are too stubborn to log onto testcenter, and therefore have no right to complain about balance issues. (and yes, i have 2 testcenter characters)
Erynder
Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:00 am
#11
omgwtfbbqpwned wrote:
ok. first off, tiggs is a csr rep who gets info from the devs and relates it back to us.
secondly, they can only see if a template becomes fotm, because there are hardly any players on testcenter for them to make a judgement. if more people actually logged on testcenter and played different professions, then everything would start to become balanced. however, most people are too stubborn to log onto testcenter, and therefore have no right to complain about balance issues. (and yes, i have 2 testcenter characters)
You missed the whole point. And obviosuly you haven't read my post. When I READ the documents, I knew Master Enhancer would be FOTM. I didn't play, only read. Why ?
BecauseI play the game, and I fight. Some of you won't even know, when Publish 9 was live, Master Enhancer had ForceRun3, just like now, but it was faster than a swoop, there were no roots and snares. And, there was no Damage Reduction. Basically, you could run faster than a swoop and attack people and kill them before they can even hit you once. Because you wer eon Forcerun3.
Developers pushed that onto live. And, all Jedi became Master Enhancers and killed other Jedi / non-Jedi in a matter of seconds before they even could touch them.
Last ditch is a very powerful attack. Everyone who plays the game knows this. The only disadvantage is it's low accuracy.With 200+ ranged accuracy food, and Squad Leader buffs it's deadl, and it hits over 7k.
I don't need to test them. I KNOW what's gonna happen.
There used to be epic raids in my server on a few selected cities. Now there aren't. Why ? Because everyone spams bases now and noone cares if they are destroyed or not, so noone defends. I don't need to test it. I play this game, and I know what's gonna happen.
Did you see the new Lava Saber ? I can't even understand how developers think about giving that to us. Most players who play this game are Star Wars fans. ( Let's face it, only reason 90% players still play this game is hte Star Wars theme and community ) And the last thing I want is a COLORFUL Lightsaber.
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