Jedi Archive

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PumpinDude wrote:

Iam sure the Devs will not leave it like that and will fix it soon, otherwise maybe its time to drop jedi SWG and go with Squadleader another game ..

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FIXED !

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Theonlyfox wrote:

I havent participated in this beta... did they copy a server over to the beta server so players had thier old equipment or was everyting retrieved from the frogs and quests? I guess what im getting at.... is what was the damage on the weapons they were using and how much worse could it be if it was a truely max damage weapon? Were they using a new loot weapon from the expansion that rules all others at this time?

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Here is the deal, the weapons used are very close to what can be made on the server with a slice/pu. Personally I think my near tripple capped Rifle is better than anything I've seen but they are close.

It really isn't the weapon per se, the fact that a Master Defender could be hit for 1.5k from Advanced Critical is what concerned me. In the current system to hit a Master Defender running Aura (with a ranged weapon, no armor break) you have to have a min damage I'd say of probably more than 900.

Whatever the buffs this guy was using I'd say we are dead if we don't get the opposite defensive buffs. Shame Jedi don't have Docs/SL's in their pockets. I can see it now, as the Jedi is trying to convince someone to join his group so he can be buffed defensively he'll get jumped. Devs, working as intended.

btw, these buffs would truely be cool in a big PvP battle. The part that is without question unbalancing is when it's a duel 1vs1 and one person has them and theother does not. Lucky for the BH they get to choose when to kill you, Jedi do not have that choice. If it goes live as is.....let's just say I'm predicting some kind of immediate hotfix the moment they see people in the thousands complaining.

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WookieOgre wrote:

I know a lot of you have questions about the changes that are happening in the next couple of patches/expansion. This for sure is going to cause a lot of whining but I'm going to post my battles with 2 different BH's from today Oct 15th. My template on Test is LS x444/Master Defender/ Enhancer 3xx2 / Healer 4xxx. Saber used is near the one I have on live, 725 max damage (but a regular crystal) with 13 FC 1.39 speed and 103 AC. All fights had Aura macroed with Force Speed going.

BH #1 :

Sent me a tell and asked if I would say still and fight him. He explained he had my mission so obviously I accepted. Bad part is how many BH's are willing to give you a tell lol. Just got off my vehicle and waited for him. Had Forcespeed and aura running as well as the buffs from the frogs (they give like 75% health regen and 600 extra health). From the sounds of it he had Master Squad Leader in his template.

I beat him hands down no challage what so ever. Pretty much no damage done to me at all during the fight. Now I believe this was his first time testing SL so maybe he didn't know how to use it. All I know is 10 secs or so and he was out.

BH#2:

This was completely different from the first. #1, I was doing a quest on Mustafar. 1/4 of my force already gone and to top it off I was ignoring any dots I saw because so many people are doing quests.

This is how it went:

BH does Sniper Shot 2900 damage after armor/Aura.

Basically on live if my health was at all down it would have been a one hit incap.

After I saw my health go to near zero I noticed it was a person with a rilfe firing at me. immediatly start to run at him while healing. He does a k/d, I get up almost instantly. Then he starts to finally unload on me and quite frankly I have ZERO clue how he was able to do the following damage:

Advanced Critical shot AFTER ALL armor/aura over 1500 damage.

Bodyshot after all armor/aura over 1100 damage.

Basically this guy the entire fight was hitting me from 1100-1500 and at one point 1800 with a k/d. He incapped me 3 times however the third I seemed to have gotten up with a lag heal so no 3 incap d/b. If this was live I would have been dead after the first incap, only reason why I wasn't was due to the 75% health regen from the buffs (unless of course health regen can be stacked to 75% but I thought they couldn't)

And yes, he snared me constantly and at every opportunity. Guess what, I snared him right back and taht helped me a TON. I would have lost without the snare. Now I didn't use Root because my toon on live does not have it so I wanted to see if I coudl win without it. In the end, I had less than 500 force, incapped 3 times, and finally was able to get him with a k/d with low action and it was lights out. It was a great fight but I have to say this was unbalanced IMO.

Not only do I have a perfect saber to work with but I'm Master Defender. He was hitting me for over 1k EVERY hit. Now I know there was a friend there watching so I think that guy gave him SL buffs before the fight, tbh I didn't take notice because I was to busy pushing my baby's girls hands away from the key board. That's right, beat the BH while holding my baby lol. But anyways I think overall this has made me realize one thing:

All you non-Defender Jedi or no having prem pearl Jedi are going to get raped when this hits live. When the guy doesn't even really need to heal the entire fight (pretty much just kept his distance) while hititng a Master Defender for 1-1.5k damage a hit, I sense a great whine coming. I don't blame any of you for losing to a BH that can put out that amount of damage. Hell a Jedi without Defender or FA would be incapped from a single Advanced Critical with this guy. Don't know if anything is going to change, all I can say is if you don't like to die to BH you better have cloak or stasis when this hits live.

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BH does Sniper Shot 2900 damage after armor/Aura.

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ouch!

Message Edited by seattlejedidave on 10-15-2005 08:53 PM

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WookieOgre wrote:

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EmpressWSA wrote:

I had a MSL/MBH ask me just out questing if he could try and one shot me. I wanted to see if he could to test this so I said yes. I had improved FA on, no buff or anything. I just stood there to see what I got hit for. The only defender treeI have is imp aura. I could see him testing and adding new SL mods to him each time. It went something like this.

1200....1500...1700...1800...1900..1900

Then I told him I would take my FA off.

2550...2500...Incap

I couldnt heal from those fast enough. I hit my 1500 heal, and a 1200 stim. There was NO point.

MSL SHOULD NOT ENHANCE THEMSELVES. They need to rally their squad, not them. If they want the SL bonuses then there needs to be 2 in the group.

Oh and my Template is MLS/3404Enh/4020H/0040Def

Message Edited by EmpressWSA on 10-15-2005 12:17 PM

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I think the guy I was fighting not only had buffed himself but I also think a friend buffed him before the fight. If I remember correctly a SL can single buff a person but can't single buff himself HOWEVER they can group buff and those he will recieve the buff. maybe the trick was he got his friend to buff before the shot and then he used his SL buffs on top of those, I think that is where the insane damage was coming from. When you hit a master Defender with Aura up for 2900 sniper shot and then 1100-1500 a shot after taht, there is something seriously out of balance here. I was only able to hit him for a little over 800 with AB and with a Powerhit it was over 1k. He was outdamaging my hits with a perfect saber......I was not amused.

In the end it seemed either he had no healing or his action was near gone so he couldn't heal and that's what did him in. As you said you had Force Armor with Aura, that is even lower defenses than me. Expect to get hit even harder than what you tested.

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WookieOgre wrote:

BH#2:

This was completely different from the first. #1, I was doing a quest on Mustafar. 1/4 of my force already gone and to top it off I was ignoring any dots I saw because so many people are doing quests.

This is how it went:

BH does Sniper Shot 2900 damage after armor/Aura.

Basically on live if my health was at all down it would have been a one hit incap.

After I saw my health go to near zero I noticed it was a person with a rilfe firing at me. immediatly start to run at him while healing. He does a k/d, I get up almost instantly. Then he starts to finally unload on me and quite frankly I have ZERO clue how he was able to do the following damage:

Advanced Critical shot AFTER ALL armor/aura over 1500 damage.

Bodyshot after all armor/aura over 1100 damage.

Basically this guy the entire fight was hitting me from 1100-1500 and at one point 1800 with a k/d. He incapped me 3 times however the third I seemed to have gotten up with a lag heal so no 3 incap d/b. If this was live I would have been dead after the first incap, only reason why I wasn't was due to the 75% health regen from the buffs (unless of course health regen can be stacked to 75% but I thought they couldn't)

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Darth_Sushi wrote:

I can see where y'all would be worried, but I still have yet to see any example of what happens when the target is using all available defensive buffs like Toughen along with Tactics or Call to Arms. There's a lot more going on here than just amping up a MBH/MRifle's ability to use Sniper Shot. It's easy to scream unbalance and nerf when you're only seeing one side of the fight or just looking at half of the picture.

The devs are continuing the revisit and adjust all aspects of this design throughout the beta process. Yesterday, the Called Shot + Sniper Shot combo got a downward adjustment, and today the multiple group buff bug was fixed. I have said it eleswhere and I will restate it here - if I was a Jedi, instead of sreaming for nerfs and threatening to quit I'd be on TC helping to test Squad Leader right now and be posting lots and lots of feedback with plenty of hard numbers from the logs.

Thanks for your concern and continued support.

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Message Edited by cpotter13 on 10-16-2005 02:16 AM