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Thread: Changes to cloak were needed
VegitoSS wrote:
I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
You guys will not stop crying until this game is dead. Well now that powers is gimped even more than it already was it is time to start nerfing the other professions to bring some balance. See how all you cry babies like that.
PDPoc wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
You guys will not stop crying until this game is dead. Well now that powers is gimped even more than it already was it is time to start nerfing the other professions to bring some balance. See how all you cry babies like that.
So I guess one of the intended uses of cloak is to loot items without risk of attack in PVE? And/or letting a cloak guy aggro npc so they wont attack anyone else? These changes are not nerfs. They are fixing it so it works as intended. Wonder how many powers guys looted a ton of av21 power planets and made a fortune. Or the fellas in the DWB looting like mad. Yeah I guess its nerfing some peoples income.
VegitoSS wrote:I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
Dude, you're a total idiot. Yes, cloak was needed to be fixed, but nerfing it so it cannot be used effectively in ANY situations is not a solution. I cry for a free respec now. (or when it will be implemented)
KaliMaul wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
Dude, you're a total idiot. Yes, cloak was needed to be fixed, but nerfing it so it cannot be used effectively in ANY situations is not a solution. I cry for a free respec now. (or when it will be implemented)
Keep the insults to yourself. From what I read its still going to work to hide. Its not going to be your I can never die button anymore. Or your I will leave the area in my ship button. Sure you can cloak and sneak around or escape but its not going to be the invincible button anymore. The no healing makes total sense. Just like in WOW if you are a rogue and try to first aid it drops you from stealth. Cloak will work but it will not be abused like its being abused right now. Once they fix it so you cant attack a cloaker or follow them you will be fine. Just no more looting, using ship terminals, drawing aggro from stuff and invincible pvp because if you start to lose you hide forever.
VegitoSS wrote:
PDPoc wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
You guys will not stop crying until this game is dead. Well now that powers is gimped even more than it already was it is time to start nerfing the other professions to bring some balance. See how all you cry babies like that.
So I guess one of the intended uses of cloak is to loot items without risk of attack in PVE? And/or letting a cloak guy aggro npc so they wont attack anyone else? These changes are not nerfs. They are fixing it so it works as intended. Wonder how many powers guys looted a ton of av21 power planets and made a fortune. Or the fellas in the DWB looting like mad. Yeah I guess its nerfing some peoples income.
Cloak needed to be addressed I support the following changes to cloak:
1. Players can not interact with terminals or containers while cloaked.
2. Players can not aid or attack others while cloaked.
3. Nothing will be able to agro the cloaked Jedi.
But that is it. Cloak is needed as an escape tool because we have lower damage and no def and at least 2 times the force/action cost. We actually have to use our brains not just "hulk smash" through everthing like Saber/Def. If they are doing away with cloak powers needs atleast a 30-40% damage increase.
Adefo-Oami wrote:
Stop basing cloak as if its a master powers only skill. its a tier 4 box, not everyone goes master powers. People dabble in 0400 powers for cloak. thats it. TBH, i'd prefer cloak be moved to master powers and be the way it is now, except without the snare.
Yeh, it would solve a lot of issues if it was moved to the master box I'm thinking... swap it with breach and hey presto, no dabblers will be using it anymore.
Or leave it where it is, give it a snare but allow force run to mitigate the snare. I would prefer option 1 though.
GideonBlack wrote:
Can someone actually clear up what this so-called "Nerf" is supposed to be?
I see quite a few posts from people crying nerf nerf...
I have read the "proposed ranger enhancements"...but where exactly does it say the Jedi Cloak is going to be altered?
Gideon use dev tracker and you will learn about all the changes. Here is a copy n paste from helios talking about cloak not meant for escape.
Force cloak is currently intended to be an alpha strike facilitator, not a "get oufa fight and regenerate free" card; nor was it intended to letme selectively bypass content. Force Run was designed to be a (more) balanced escape mechanism for Jedi. With the new hiding/stealth system, you can probably count on mostany action that would let you get backin the fight for free (after you would have probably lost) to breakstealth(including Force Cloak). That includes the abilities you asked about. As a general note, logging out/in whilst having a hiding/stealth buff on you (including cloak), removes that buff. If it looks like the fight is going southI tend to Burst/Force Run now.
Please keep in mind that everything is subject to more play testing and balancing.
VegitoSS wrote:
I know you powers guys are going to be crying the blues but it was needed. Cloak was being abused in tons of PVE content and in PVP. It will no longer be the I will never die button it is now. Good job devs.
While agree the abuse of it in PVE needed fixing. There are some factors that still remain that will keep the Nerf cloak criers still crying.
You cannot break cloak through any outside action.
As far as it not being intended as an escape tool well it still can be. /stasis, /forcerun, Cloak. Since you cannot break cloak from any outside action other then the Jedi draining all his force I still see the "I don't lose button" You are thinking is being taken away. You just created a new template for cloak to be more viable for other then the skillset it resides in.
Those crying about the First strike stuff well Now it's been said that was what it was intended to be. So now those that get ganked by cloaked Jedi will still be crying for a further nerf of the skill. I guess they will just have to get over it.