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Thread: Question about History of Jedi
fact is they were much much more powerful then. i remember reading posts from devs saying that jedi will stay rare and should be powerful.
we all know jedi are the most powerful combat characters in george lucas's universe they are the most feared and reveared class in the saga's. what i'm kinda confused about is why? curious why soe made jedi the way they were in the beginning and in my opinion its how it should be. but you look at jedi now and its no where near the way it started out. and my question is why the drastic changes in the jedi system? is it because there is so many jedi now that they have to take some power away to balance the system? if so then why was obtaining jedi easy enough so that there would be a lot of jedi to cause an imbalance. i know from the beginning we all wanted to play a jedi and for most of us it was our whole focus of the game to get a jedi. but in my opinion i would have liked jedi to stay uber for the sake of continuity with canon....honestly all jedi out there..is this what you imagined a true jedi would be like? i went for jedi for number one it was the reason i wanted to play was to be able to wield a saber and use the force and number two cause at the time it was truely an elite class. i am not whining or complaining...just asking some constructive questions...i love swg i love my jedi i love playing the game..but have some serious concerns with the development of the game. the two year history of the game if someone can look at a complete timeline of what has happened in the past two years you would say omg...its crazy.....anyways..enough for me......just putting my thoughts on the board..
.please no flaming..just constructive posts...any flaming will be reported..thanks, Message Edited by lilceaser on 10-30-2005 12:16 PM
Old School.
As an old school BH and new school Jedi who ground under both Pre-CU and Post-CU, I have NEVER seen a Jedi take out ten people. Two, maybe three if they did not know what they were doing, but ten people would have slaughtered the best Jedi on my server. Moving on...
You may have hit the nail right on the head in the numbers. There are a lot of us now, and frankly, it wouldbe better if we were weaker to encourage players to not want to play Jedi, thereby immersing people more into the Star Wars universe SOE has provided for us. We should be hiding. I won't GCW PvP with my Jedi toon because I feel, as Jedi, we do not belong in the GCW.
As far as canon goes...this game left canon a very long time ago. Actually, it left canon at launch. Dathomir is not canon, Lok is not canon, Talus is not canon and Rori is not canon. Having Swordsmen being more powerful than a trooper with a T-21 was not canon nor was allowing aliens in the Imperial Navy. I accepted this at launch and have fun with it...knowing that NOTHING that happens here is canon other than we cannot harm any of the named NPCs.
Jedi during the Republic were not invincible. Need I cite you Coleman Trebor, who was a Jedi Master on the council? Coleman was shot down easily by Jango Fett. He had his saber out as well...for all the good it did him. Hundreds of Jedi were struck down in the Geonosian arena by thousands of droids and Geonosian troopers. Those were the "cream" of the Jedi crop, too.
We are where we are. A lot of times, we as Jedi have our own numbers to blame. An example of this is cloak. It was used and abused and now it is being changed. It wasn't Joe Blow Bounty Hunter who caused this, it was the leet kiddie Jedi who wanted to be able to loot things in the DWB without risk. I could go on and on, but the point is, these are the cards we have here in SWG and we can either choose to play this hand or fold. I choose to play.
Qui-Gonzalez wrote:
As an old school BH and new school Jedi who ground under both Pre-CU and Post-CU, I have NEVER seen a Jedi take out ten people. Two, maybe three if they did not know what they were doing, but ten people would have slaughtered the best Jedi on my server. Moving on...
You may have hit the nail right on the head in the numbers. There are a lot of us now, and frankly, it wouldbe better if we were weaker to encourage players to not want to play Jedi, thereby immersing people more into the Star Wars universe SOE has provided for us. We should be hiding. I won't GCW PvP with my Jedi toon because I feel, as Jedi, we do not belong in the GCW.
As far as canon goes...this game left canon a very long time ago. Actually, it left canon at launch. Dathomir is not canon, Lok is not canon, Talus is not canon and Rori is not canon. Having Swordsmen being more powerful than a trooper with a T-21 was not canon nor was allowing aliens in the Imperial Navy. I accepted this at launch and have fun with it...knowing that NOTHING that happens here is canon other than we cannot harm any of the named NPCs.
Jedi during the Republic were not invincible. Need I cite you Coleman Trebor, who was a Jedi Master on the council? Coleman was shot down easily by Jango Fett. He had his saber out as well...for all the good it did him. Hundreds of Jedi were struck down in the Geonosian arena by thousands of droids and Geonosian troopers. Those were the "cream" of the Jedi crop, too.
We are where we are. A lot of times, we as Jedi have our own numbers to blame. An example of this is cloak. It was used and abused and now it is being changed. It wasn't Joe Blow Bounty Hunter who caused this, it was the leet kiddie Jedi who wanted to be able to loot things in the DWB without risk. I could go on and on, but the point is, these are the cards we have here in SWG and we can either choose to play this hand or fold. I choose to play.
i think you have some good points there...i have seen some jedi kill a lot of people..lol...it was back in the fr2 hit and run games.....but as far as canon goes i agree...soe didn't really follow much canon at all..the one thing you would think they would follow though would be the elite combat status of jedi..which they did in the beginning but now i believe there is a little bit of an imbalance with certain combat professions being at lvl or more powerful than jedi.....but i always take the cards that i'm given and just play the game as it is...i have always had fun in the game....bugs,exploits,imbalance really hasn't ruined my gameplay....if it wasn't for good friends it might have...but, i think in one point in time we have all had these type of questions on our mind.....
Ceasar
Jedi Knight
Sunrunner
Message Edited by lilceaser on 10-30-2005 12:43 PM
BountyHunterTHX1138 wrote:
I remeber when jedi could fight and wear composite armor.
Old School.
that was so cool looking. Like a warrior with a sweet sword. Anyways, I think the main reason they cut down Jedi power was, no matter how hard you made it adventually there would be a "boom". And there was, about a month before CU most of my friends were becoming jedi and I was within 2 phases of unlocking(all xp stored). So, give it 3 more months and you would have another 10% of the PVP population as Jedi. Well this is no fun for non jedi, and believe me from being no connection to the force all the way to Jedi was a long road, and why would someone want to spend 6 months of grinding just to be exactly like all the other pvpers. So they needed to make other professions balance better with Jedi. Like you said, Jedi in the beginning a 4444guardian could take on 10 people with his eyes closed. Well, say you have just a mere 8 jedi on each side, well hell what good is a combat medic going to do against someone who is basically mpowers/mls/menhancer/mhealer/mdefender with a 1200 kinetic saber? What good with 5 of him do? It would take 50 guys to take down 8 jedi, which is a bit unfair in a mmorg don't you think. Everyone wants to be uber, getting pwned 1vs10 is fun for 1 person. Well one person is 15 bucks, 10 people is 150.......clearly you skipped dev math 101 and went to algebra instead...
Leo
Leanardo wrote:
BountyHunterTHX1138 wrote:
I remeber when jedi could fight and wear composite armor.
Old School.
that was so cool looking. Like a warrior with a sweet sword. Anyways, I think the main reason they cut down Jedi power was, no matter how hard you made it adventually there would be a "boom". And there was, about a month before CU most of my friends were becoming jedi and I was within 2 phases of unlocking(all xp stored). So, give it 3 more months and you would have another 10% of the PVP population as Jedi. Well this is no fun for non jedi, and believe me from being no connection to the force all the way to Jedi was a long road, and why would someone want to spend 6 months of grinding just to be exactly like all the other pvpers. So they needed to make other professions balance better with Jedi. Like you said, Jedi in the beginning a 4444guardian could take on 10 people with his eyes closed. Well, say you have just a mere 8 jedi on each side, well hell what good is a combat medic going to do against someone who is basically mpowers/mls/menhancer/mhealer/mdefender with a 1200 kinetic saber? What good with 5 of him do? It would take 50 guys to take down 8 jedi, which is a bit unfair in a mmorg don't you think. Everyone wants to be uber, getting pwned 1vs10 is fun for 1 person. Well one person is 15 bucks, 10 people is 150.......clearly you skipped dev math 101 and went to algebra instead...
Leo
i looked at that posting the way prepub 9 jedi were skilled...i was like omg..they have the whole template...not just few here few there...it would definitely had been cool to at least try that out for a bit just to see what it was like to have all those mods....
Ceasar
Jedi Knight
Sunrunner