Jedi Archive
Thread: A thought on Crystals and Lightsaber Components.
- We are the only profession in the game that is required to use looted components just to make a basic weapon - other weapons can use looted components to augment, but they are not required. As such there should be certain npcs that have a much higher drop rate of crystals so jedi can get the crystals that they need. For example in the crystal caves on dantooine. By making crystals more available there is a better chance for jedis to make a competetive wapon.
- The tuning system is completely random, and has no bearing on the skill and focus of its user. What I suggest would be a more productive system is once that has a bearing to the user's connection to the force: best represented in SWG as the total force pool. This would not be a directly correlated system, and would still have an element of chance, but the higher the total force a user has, then this would give relative bonus to the calculation. The quality of a crystal/pearl would also determine a minimum tune value.
This would mean that a jedi would have to get more that just 5 crystals, as he would be able to continually increase the potential of his lightsaber as he progessed in the jedi trees.
For example, a initiate would still have a random chance of getting a great tune, but on average he would get a tune that was more in keeping with his status. As his powers in the jedi disciplines became more advanced, he would be able to tune new crystals, on average improving the quality of the tunes as he did so.
A double master jedi in his cloak would be able to have a much better average tune for his crystals, even of their base quality is only good for example.
If they manage to get their hands on a flawless pearl at double mastery, along with being a council member (whose cloak may give him an even better total force possibly) then his chances of getting a superb tune would be much higher, but because he is using a flawless pearl in the first place, he is quaranteed it will still be a pretty good tune at the end.
I hope this is some food for thought, and it gives a good platform for ideas and discussion.
Regards,
BR
Great Idea... I love this .
Great post, so great i bet it gets ignored by the devs
... SOE do something like this that makes sense, not gonna happen.
Actually.. I make this a offical challenge to the Devs.. I dare you to prove ppl like me wrong that have accepted that you don't care about us ...the players that are paying your salary ... .. Prove us wrong and actually do something to the game that enhances the fun and makes some sense..
Sadly.. i think they won't cause we are all stupidly paying anyway .....
so why should they fix stuff and make it better .. cause were all still here .. there still getting there money..so it must be all ok right 
Big-Rug wrote:
Pre CU it was a fair enough system - the drop rates were high and loot tables consistent enough to be able to loot enough to get some decent tunes.
However now it is much harder to get power crystals, and even more so to get a good tune because of the lesser qualities of those crystals that do drop. Now, I understand the rationale about making premium and flawless crystals/pearls very rare. They should be akin to getting that super krayt tissue drop for weaponsmiths.
Must not of been a precu jedi. Have you any idea what it took for one premium in the old system. You had your choice Elders or krayts. To even consider soloing either you needed to invest at very least 10 million to do it slow and upwards of 50-60 mil. Then you get into the 10-30 min fights solo or you can team up with other jedi alts who infact want premiums to....... So now that we got that out the way You had about a one in ten drop rate on elders if you were lucky and the bugged spawns that were never there. Or the krayt graveyard who had hoards of people trying to kill steal every krayt that was found.
Since we established how hard it was to actually get Lets bring up flawless well you had one choice Ancient krayts. Well thing with ancients is it took 30+ mins even with a large group of rifleman and a tank or two. Was very hard to get jedi to do them since they would aoe and apply states like you wouldn't belive and if anyone knew the old system at all intim and stun actually did something noticable.
To top everything off if it wasn't a -9 forcecost in the old system it was pretty much junk or grind crystal or pearl. Which you did not get a -9 very often at all much less a high dmg one which caped at 50 dmg.
Since they nolonger made the fc of the saber a multiplier force cost is not a issue all you need to worry about is speed and damage. Goods drop a dime a dozen and is not very hard to get your 100-120 dmg crystals/pearls You will be tuneing about the same as the rest of us who worked hard to achieve a perfect or near perfect saber pre cu. Putting premiums/flawless with how easy the system is would be unbalanced.
STLpMpNu wrote:
Big-Rug wrote:
Pre CU it was a fair enough system - the drop rates were high and loot tables consistent enough to be able to loot enough to get some decent tunes.
However now it is much harder to get power crystals, and even more so to get a good tune because of the lesser qualities of those crystals that do drop. Now, I understand the rationale about making premium and flawless crystals/pearls very rare. They should be akin to getting that super krayt tissue drop for weaponsmiths.
Must not of been a precu jedi. Have you any idea what it took for one premium in the old system. You had your choice Elders or krayts. To even consider soloing either you needed to invest at very least 10 million to do it slow and upwards of 50-60 mil. Then you get into the 10-30 min fights solo or you can team up with other jedi alts who infact want premiums to....... So now that we got that out the way You had about a one in ten drop rate on elders if you were lucky and the bugged spawns that were never there. Or the krayt graveyard who had hoards of people trying to kill steal every krayt that was found.
Since we established how hard it was to actually get Lets bring up flawless well you had one choice Ancient krayts. Well thing with ancients is it took 30+ mins even with a large group of rifleman and a tank or two. Was very hard to get jedi to do them since they would aoe and apply states like you wouldn't belive and if anyone knew the old system at all intim and stun actually did something noticable.
To top everything off if it wasn't a -9 forcecost in the old system it was pretty much junk or grind crystal or pearl. Which you did not get a -9 very often at all much less a high dmg one which caped at 50 dmg.
Since they nolonger made the fc of the saber a multiplier force cost is not a issue all you need to worry about is speed and damage. Goods drop a dime a dozen and is not very hard to get your 100-120 dmg crystals/pearls You will be tuneing about the same as the rest of us who worked hard to achieve a perfect or near perfect saber pre cu. Putting premiums/flawless with how easy the system is would be unbalanced.
Are you high, or did you suck pre-cu? As a tka, I tanked krayts without breaking a sweat. I never once had to worry about death from a krayt back then. I also watched jedi solo krayts VERY quickly, and very often. The drops in my pre-cu experience (many krayts killed) are no different than the current drops, certainly not a dime a dozen. -9 fc? That's a pipedream these days, unless you can buy pre-cu premiums.
If the quality isn't so important, as many pre-cu jedi preach, then why do pre-cu jedi care if premiums drop, after all, they're not that much different or so they claim. Why do I consistenly see pre-cu jedi buying up premiums on the trade forums for EVERY server? Why not buy goods? The truth of the matter is premiums give much better results, and we will have them again.
In the end, the pre-cu jedi will get smacked the hardest. They fought so hard against fellow jedi having anequal opportunity, which led to cries for nerfs (and that nerf is coming, don't covet that pre-cu saber).Is a nerf a good thing? Never, but remember who started the p!ssing match. Some people should learn to live, and let live, rather than being selfish in a freakin video game.
Anakroid wrote:
Are you high, or did you suck pre-cu? As a tka, I tanked krayts without breaking a sweat. I never once had to worry about death from a krayt back then. I also watched jedi solo krayts VERY quickly, and very often. The drops in my pre-cu experience (many krayts killed) are no different than the current drops, certainly not a dime a dozen. -9 fc? That's a pipedream these days, unless you can buy pre-cu premiums.
If the quality isn't so important, as many pre-cu jedi preach, then why do pre-cu jedi care if premiums drop, after all, they're not that much different or so they claim. Why do I consistenly see pre-cu jedi buying up premiums on the trade forums for EVERY server? Why not buy goods? The truth of the matter is premiums give much better results, and we will have them again.
In the end, the pre-cu jedi will get smacked the hardest. They fought so hard against fellow jedi having anequal opportunity, which led to cries for nerfs (and that nerf is coming, don't covet that pre-cu saber).Is a nerf a good thing? Never, but remember who started the p!ssing match. Some people should learn to live, and let live, rather than being selfish in a freakin video game.
There was not much of a issue tankinggiants and canyons.But how long did it take for a tka to kill one? Thought so. As for jedi soloing them well your mistakenand must be clueless because krayts tore through jedi they could solo juvys bout it. Canyons and Giants with 4 man teams 3 rifleman one swordsman tank all caped on speed and top end weapons on the server still took 10-20 mins. And don't even think about doing giants without 2 mele tanks because they would dizzykd and your rifleman would get tore up.
I said -9's are not a issue before IT WOULD BE A MULTIPLIER which means force cost was the most important issue pre cu. It has no real bearing on anyones sabers now. Its all action cost dmg/speed. So the odds of us getting what we needed then -9 and decent dmg is the same odds of you getting decent dmg/speed. Sure people buying up the old premiums same reason people buy up pre nerf weapons. Because they can and because they have the money. Does it mean premiums should be in the game. No not if its going to be droping off lvl 92's lol i mean get real. What all these new jedi are doing is just asking for premiums to drop at the same rate as qualitys did for the precu jedi. And if you say otherwise your lyeing to yourself.
Elders are flooded all over the nightster stronghold Krayts are everywhere after reboot and it takes NOTHING to kill them now. The devs messed up the game by putting in a dmg multipler with cl of creatures makeing it imposible to actually make pve harder and actually make it hard for premiums/flawless to be droped. Will i be fine with premiums and flawless if it took the same work yes i would have no issue with it. But asking for it with how easy it would be to get is just wrong.
Im going to say it again Putting premiums/flawless in with the current spawns and cl of creatures would give every jedi a perfect saber. They can't make it over lvl 92 maybe lvl 100 tops or it would be to hard for non chain rooters/masterdefenders. Which means a pair of jedi can tear through ancients in under 5 minutes and get crystals and pearls that they really didn't earn. Should the pve actually be challenging yes... Should people get premiums/flawless with little to no effort heck no.
noothername wrote:
i dont know what server your on but on shadowfire there are a handful of jedi that have told me in RL they have sold 50+ flawless pearls in the past cause their sabers are infact as good as it gets, the best stats possible, now if the ADK's didnt exist then i could see where the pre-cu jedi wouldnt be so happy about the current pearl situation as for myself if i go out and get a few hundred pearls and crystals and get no luck im just gonna stay out of the frs, cause the way ive read it and seen it, if your saber sucks= you lose, i know jedi with crappy templates owning people cause their saber rocks. anyway a master powers without a saber can beat a pre-cu of any full template with an uber saber? i dont think so. i wonder what a pre-cu jedi would do if he logged on one day and his uber pearls were gone and had to go out and get more, you gonna get 120/120 -.3 spd -9fc on a fair or good pearl, and out of how many tunes you think. there is no way to compete with pre-cu jedi and i think it will stay that way atleast til the frs comes back and the pre-cu jedi have all their spots filled in, then the pearls/crystal/tunes will be better to allow for competition. <-----just my opinion.
STLpMpNu wrote:
Anakroid wrote:
Are you high, or did you suck pre-cu? As a tka, I tanked krayts without breaking a sweat. I never once had to worry about death from a krayt back then. I also watched jedi solo krayts VERY quickly, and very often. The drops in my pre-cu experience (many krayts killed) are no different than the current drops, certainly not a dime a dozen. -9 fc? That's a pipedream these days, unless you can buy pre-cu premiums.
If the quality isn't so important, as many pre-cu jedi preach, then why do pre-cu jedi care if premiums drop, after all, they're not that much different or so they claim. Why do I consistenly see pre-cu jedi buying up premiums on the trade forums for EVERY server? Why not buy goods? The truth of the matter is premiums give much better results, and we will have them again.
In the end, the pre-cu jedi will get smacked the hardest. They fought so hard against fellow jedi having anequal opportunity, which led to cries for nerfs (and that nerf is coming, don't covet that pre-cu saber).Is a nerf a good thing? Never, but remember who started the p!ssing match. Some people should learn to live, and let live, rather than being selfish in a freakin video game.
There was not much of a issue tankinggiants and canyons.But how long did it take for a tka to kill one? Thought so. As for jedi soloing them well your mistakenand must be clueless because krayts tore through jedi they could solo juvys bout it. Canyons and Giants with 4 man teams 3 rifleman one swordsman tank all caped on speed and top end weapons on the server still took 10-20 mins. And don't even think about doing giants without 2 mele tanks because they would dizzykd and your rifleman would get tore up.
I said -9's are not a issue before IT WOULD BE A MULTIPLIER which means force cost was the most important issue pre cu. It has no real bearing on anyones sabers now. Its all action cost dmg/speed. So the odds of us getting what we needed then -9 and decent dmg is the same odds of you getting decent dmg/speed. Sure people buying up the old premiums same reason people buy up pre nerf weapons. Because they can and because they have the money. Does it mean premiums should be in the game. No not if its going to be droping off lvl 92's lol i mean get real. What all these new jedi are doing is just asking for premiums to drop at the same rate as qualitys did for the precu jedi. And if you say otherwise your lyeing to yourself.
Elders are flooded all over the nightster stronghold Krayts are everywhere after reboot and it takes NOTHING to kill them now. The devs messed up the game by putting in a dmg multipler with cl of creatures makeing it imposible to actually make pve harder and actually make it hard for premiums/flawless to be droped. Will i be fine with premiums and flawless if it took the same work yes i would have no issue with it. But asking for it with how easy it would be to get is just wrong.
It didn't take so long to kill them as a TKA, maybe 10-15 mins, but witha commando friend maybe 5 mins. So your argument is they were a challenge... to your patience? Sounds boring, not challenging. Don't forgetabout the guys who constantly used turret tanks. They mowed through krayt after krayt in no time. Still not buying the BS, I was there pre-cu, killing krayts, they've never been a challenge.
Anakroid wrote:
It didn't take so long to kill them as a TKA, maybe 10-15 mins, but witha commando friend maybe 5 mins. So your argument is they were a challenge... to your patience? Sounds boring, not challenging. Don't forgetabout the guys who constantly used turret tanks. They mowed through krayt after krayt in no time. Still not buying the BS, I was there pre-cu, killing krayts, they've never been a challenge.