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Thread: How about making the rest of Force Powers usable in PvP vs other JEDI??
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Rizzaka
Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:26 pm
#1
Stop crying about the damn force cloak nerf, you won't stop it... Just accept it because its allowing people to bypass "content"
Instead put up a fight for something that needs changing... the rest of force powers.
Wind ups on lightning, not viable with the current fast paced fighting in pvp. If they want it so lightning isn't spammable then increase the cooldown on it but don't make it a wind up which can be broken by sabers hitting us once a second.
Powers vs Enhancer- Currently our master level attack, Choke, is totally negated due to heals and if our target is an enhancement jedi then we are double screwed because they can put up Feedback. Their ability to negate our MASTER box attack comes in lower boxes in other jedi skill tree's. Highly unbalanced gameplay and it makes powers increadibly weak in pvp.
Defense... Even in the saber skill tree's they get saber block which isn't as good as Shield or anything in Defender but its added Defense that they get, powers get NO added defense in their tree's not even a +10 ranged deflection or avoidance.
i'm sure people can add on to this but as you can see there are far more important things to fight for with powers than the stupid cloak being taken away as it is currently.
Instead put up a fight for something that needs changing... the rest of force powers.
Wind ups on lightning, not viable with the current fast paced fighting in pvp. If they want it so lightning isn't spammable then increase the cooldown on it but don't make it a wind up which can be broken by sabers hitting us once a second.
Powers vs Enhancer- Currently our master level attack, Choke, is totally negated due to heals and if our target is an enhancement jedi then we are double screwed because they can put up Feedback. Their ability to negate our MASTER box attack comes in lower boxes in other jedi skill tree's. Highly unbalanced gameplay and it makes powers increadibly weak in pvp.
Defense... Even in the saber skill tree's they get saber block which isn't as good as Shield or anything in Defender but its added Defense that they get, powers get NO added defense in their tree's not even a +10 ranged deflection or avoidance.
i'm sure people can add on to this but as you can see there are far more important things to fight for with powers than the stupid cloak being taken away as it is currently.
NickyCigs
Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:35 pm
#2
Well if you are gonna fight for one you might as well fight for both.. i agree MP needs ALOT of work as i said in another post.. MLS has crystals perals an cas to improve thier damge speed etc.. waht about Master [powers..
Message Edited by NickyCigs on 09-22-2005 02:35 PM
BukuJohnson
Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:57 pm
#3
I wrote this a few days ago, and also tried to ask Helios why we were so whimped down vs Jedi. The post fell back, and Helios never replied.
Jedi have Innate armor, Force Armor, Ranged Defense, Aura, Valor, and PSG. These are the same defenses that exist versus every other ranged combat class. It is not warranted that there are also Force Feedback, Force Shield, and Force Defense further mitigating an already poor damage dealing profession.
The rebalancing of these 3 skills would have absolutely no impact on Jedi vs non Jedi or PVE battles, so please do not label it as a retroactive nerf cry. There are no Saber Feedback, Saber Shield, and Saber Defense skills mitigating Saber damage so these Powers specific defensive skills do not have a balanced implementation.
Remove the ability for Jedi Innate Armor to mitigate Force Damage. Ignoring innate would make Mpowers a God vs TKM so there would need to be a working code for the system to distinguish between Non Jedi Innate Armor and Jedi Innate Armor. It would provide balance vs a Defender as they would still have Force Defense, Aura, Valor, and a PSG working against Wielders attacks, and while Valor and Aura could be Breached Force Defense would remain an innate Force Powers damage mitigator.
Keep Feedback and Shield in Enhancer but do not allow them to stack with Innate Armor/Force Armor. A Wielder successfully Breaching those would be no different than being hit with an Armor Break in the current system.
Simply stated with these three specific skills in place at their current values, coupled with the above list of negatives for being a Mpowers, the FRS will not have any Mpowers Jedi in it and the game as a whole will have very few. The remaining Jedi in this game will all be Saberists and the three Force Power specific defenses will go unused any way.
Rebalance the skills and encourage contiued diversity of Jedi offensive templates. Substantialy increasing Mpowers damage output to the point it would matter as a solution would only create an imbalance with Mpowers vs non Jedi at the same time.
In the long run Jedi players would have nothing to lose from a change in these skills.
Buku
Naritus
Jedi have Innate armor, Force Armor, Ranged Defense, Aura, Valor, and PSG. These are the same defenses that exist versus every other ranged combat class. It is not warranted that there are also Force Feedback, Force Shield, and Force Defense further mitigating an already poor damage dealing profession.
The rebalancing of these 3 skills would have absolutely no impact on Jedi vs non Jedi or PVE battles, so please do not label it as a retroactive nerf cry. There are no Saber Feedback, Saber Shield, and Saber Defense skills mitigating Saber damage so these Powers specific defensive skills do not have a balanced implementation.
Remove the ability for Jedi Innate Armor to mitigate Force Damage. Ignoring innate would make Mpowers a God vs TKM so there would need to be a working code for the system to distinguish between Non Jedi Innate Armor and Jedi Innate Armor. It would provide balance vs a Defender as they would still have Force Defense, Aura, Valor, and a PSG working against Wielders attacks, and while Valor and Aura could be Breached Force Defense would remain an innate Force Powers damage mitigator.
Keep Feedback and Shield in Enhancer but do not allow them to stack with Innate Armor/Force Armor. A Wielder successfully Breaching those would be no different than being hit with an Armor Break in the current system.
Simply stated with these three specific skills in place at their current values, coupled with the above list of negatives for being a Mpowers, the FRS will not have any Mpowers Jedi in it and the game as a whole will have very few. The remaining Jedi in this game will all be Saberists and the three Force Power specific defenses will go unused any way.
Rebalance the skills and encourage contiued diversity of Jedi offensive templates. Substantialy increasing Mpowers damage output to the point it would matter as a solution would only create an imbalance with Mpowers vs non Jedi at the same time.
In the long run Jedi players would have nothing to lose from a change in these skills.
Buku
Naritus
Rizzaka
Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:42 pm
#4
thats a good post, though i would almost say move the feedback ability thats at 0400 to the master box and then bump up the basic feedback to the 3rd box.
I can literally fight an enhancer jedi and kill myself before them because breach has a longer cooldown than their force feedback. I'll breach feedback off and try to choke, sure that might get through but an infusion macro heals that dmg and then before i know it they have feedback back up and my breach is still cooling down. I also only have a 50% chance to even breach feedback off so its not always going to tear it off.
I think before the FRS comes back force powers vs other jedi REALLY needs to be looked at to make sure everyone has an equal opportunity to rank up, otherwise all force powers will HAVE to find a new way to farm/fightclub to gain ranks.
I can literally fight an enhancer jedi and kill myself before them because breach has a longer cooldown than their force feedback. I'll breach feedback off and try to choke, sure that might get through but an infusion macro heals that dmg and then before i know it they have feedback back up and my breach is still cooling down. I also only have a 50% chance to even breach feedback off so its not always going to tear it off.
I think before the FRS comes back force powers vs other jedi REALLY needs to be looked at to make sure everyone has an equal opportunity to rank up, otherwise all force powers will HAVE to find a new way to farm/fightclub to gain ranks.
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