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Oh thanks for reminding me...the HAM system. The HAM system was TERRIBLE (!!!!!!!) pre-cu. I think the design is MUCh better now, where only Health @ 0 will kill you. The way ALL games are played. I hated that action and mind at 0 would incap you too...that was a terrible idea. Honestly...old HAM bars were poorly designed and made PvP too stupid. Especially since fencers with stun batons could kill anything even jedi pvp.

But i did like the "white" behind the HAM bars. Made things easier to read. But i guess its not bad now.

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Jocey wrote:

I liked pre-cu because it was more fun. It had a unique ham system. The contrasting colors in the HAM system made it easier to see your health/action/mind. The icons were simple yet effective. I still havent got the hang of queing only 2 actions. For my play style and my personal enjoyment, pre-cu was more fun

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Unique? No offense, but I fail to see how the "Mind wars" made it unique. 90% of the people attacked mind...which is basically reducing the game to one damage bar anyway. The "theory" of pre-CU was better, but the implementation was horrible. Not that things are necessarily any better now...

I do miss the old icons though...less is more. And for what it's worth, I like the old animations better.

Honestly..I don't like pre- or post-CU...lol. I like the combat system in Matrix Online...that gets my vote

Matrix online?!?! get out of here! this is SWG!

And you know, you COULD make ur own macros for all your attacks with the Pre-CU icons...if you really wanted to.

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Soulcaster wrote:

Matrix online?!?! get out of here! this is SWG!

And you know, you COULD make ur own macros for all your attacks with the Pre-CU icons...if you really wanted to.

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I would go play Matrix, but in my opinion, the combat system (and graphics) are probably the best feautres about the game...which kind of sucks. But hey, SOE owns it now, so it's bound to get better

/highjack off

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Soulcaster wrote:

I personally was BEYOND sick of the spammed spin attacks, same lame animations

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Soulcaster wrote:

Pre-CU vs. Post-CU Battle Royal

ROUND 1: The Rant

Ok thats it, i can not stand all of this "pre-cu" talk going on. 1st off, half of you on this forum dont even know what Pre-cu was like, yet you still cling to it like it was the best thing since sliced bread. I think you are wrong with this assumption as most players/jedi in the game are pre cu by a wide margin. Now i am still working for jedi, so i dont know what Jedi was like pre-cu, and i wont dispute the fact that being a jedi MIGHT have been better pre-cu. HOWEVER, in sheer aspects of the Combat Upgrade, you all still REALLY think that pre-cu was better?

I personally was BEYOND sick of the spammed spin attacks, same lame animations, TERRIBLE icons for the attacks, crap graphics (because i noticed all pre-cu pics have terrible graphics) and most of all it was terribly boring to solo grind. As a jedi in todays game, you end up using the same attacks over and over as well. Right now it is saber throw, armorbreak, then either body/head/leg hit with the occasional powerhit. No other attacks are worth using, just like pre-cu. We gave up buffs and now we have to endure healing wars instead. As for icons, I'll agree the old ones lacked style, but now I spend my time watching them instead of the action on the screen. Do you really find watching a button flash more interesting than watching your toon actually carry out the attack? Sure some say solo grinding back then was easier, or harder, thats debateable. But it was flat out got boring. In the days/weeks after CU, jedi still had to grind alone. It was only after considerable complaints that we finally got the ability to grind in groups without vis. The CU wasn't the reason, we the players were the reason that change happened.

Pre-CU also relied COMPLETELY on buffs...especially for you jedi. Doctors were making a killing with buffs (good for them, nothing against that), but you really couldn't play the game with out a buff. I would get buffed and would feel taht if i didn't spend that 3 hours grinding, that i wasted my money for the buff. Sure it was easy to get back the $10-15k for a buff in a matter of minutes, but u really couldn't be overt or a jedi or go hunting...or do ANYTHING combat like, without a buff. Right now, if you don't have doc buffs and 5 foods/drinks/spices going, you will lose in a fight, just like pre-cu. Granted, it isn't the 10-15k of pre-cu, but you still need buffs to survive in pvp, and most high-end pve.

I personally think the Combat upgrade fixed ALL of the above things that i said the pre-cu lacked. Yes the CU was a drastic change in the game...yes it brought about a lot of bugs...and yes the jedi drops and content is lacking now.

...but after all i stated above, some of you STILL like pre-cu? I think it would be cool to have a pre-cu server, buti wouldnt want to go back to that as a perminant server. (before you ask, yes i posted a thread about making a "pre-cu week" but that was just an idea, and for fun, i wasn't implying that i liked pre-cu better...just would be fun to have a change for a week).

I think the only thing i liked better about pre-cu was the rarety of Jedi. Which i think you all can agree with me there. And how secretive the Jedi were back then and wouldn't be stupid and flashy like they are now. All the jedi I saw pre-cu (which wasn't many) were always in hiding and when you DID finally see one, you knew damn well he was BAD ASS!!!! You do realize the number of jedi the day before the CU was pretty much the number the day after? The same handful of players who were dueling in theed pre-cu are there post-cu.

So tell me, what do you guys think about this thread, and why do you that want to live and die by pre-cu like it so much?

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Soulcaster wrote:

Pre-CU vs. Post-CU Battle Royal

ROUND 1: The Rant

Ok thats it, i can not stand all of this "pre-cu" talk going on. 1st off, half of you on this forum dont even know what Pre-cu was like, yet you still cling to it like it was the best thing since sliced bread. I think you are wrong with this assumption as most players/jedi in the game are pre cu by a wide margin. Now i am still working for jedi, so i dont know what Jedi was like pre-cu, and i wont dispute the fact that being a jedi MIGHT have been better pre-cu. HOWEVER, in sheer aspects of the Combat Upgrade, you all still REALLY think that pre-cu was better?

I personally was BEYOND sick of the spammed spin attacks, same lame animations, TERRIBLE icons for the attacks, crap graphics (because i noticed all pre-cu pics have terrible graphics) and most of all it was terribly boring to solo grind. As a jedi in todays game, you end up using the same attacks over and over as well. Right now it is saber throw, armorbreak, then either body/head/leg hit with the occasional powerhit. No other attacks are worth using, just like pre-cu. We gave up buffs and now we have to endure healing wars instead. As for icons, I'll agree the old ones lacked style, but now I spend my time watching them instead of the action on the screen. Do you really find watching a button flash more interesting than watching your toon actually carry out the attack? Sure some say solo grinding back then was easier, or harder, thats debateable. But it was flat out got boring. In the days/weeks after CU, jedi still had to grind alone. It was only after considerable complaints that we finally got the ability to grind in groups without vis. The CU wasn't the reason, we the players were the reason that change happened. I don't know, I think the reason they changed grinding in groups without vis was the fact that CU had significantly changed the game mechanics. To make it short, SOE knew that solo grinding was pretty much out of the question since it would take all your Force to kill one thing and then the regen time on Force. It would take too long to grind a Jedi out. I think that is the reason they changed it.

Pre-CU also relied COMPLETELY on buffs...especially for you jedi. Doctors were making a killing with buffs (good for them, nothing against that), but you really couldn't play the game with out a buff. I would get buffed and would feel taht if i didn't spend that 3 hours grinding, that i wasted my money for the buff. Sure it was easy to get back the $10-15k for a buff in a matter of minutes, but u really couldn't be overt or a jedi or go hunting...or do ANYTHING combat like, without a buff. Right now, if you don't have doc buffs and 5 foods/drinks/spices going, you will lose in a fight, just like pre-cu. Granted, it isn't the 10-15k of pre-cu, but you still need buffs to survive in pvp, and most high-end pve. I must disagree. The buffs you get now are no where near the level they used to be. So you get a doctor buff for 10% health, so if you were a lvl 80 human you would have 3300. That's garbage compared to the 4-5k HAMS you could buff pre-CU, including the secondaries. They really are insignificant and I usually don't waste my time getting one. Foods/Drinks/Spices pretty much has the same usefullness as they did pre-CU, so no comment there.

I personally think the Combat upgrade fixed ALL of the above things that i said the pre-cu lacked. Yes the CU was a drastic change in the game...yes it brought about a lot of bugs...and yes the jedi drops and content is lacking now.

...but after all i stated above, some of you STILL like pre-cu? I think it would be cool to have a pre-cu server, buti wouldnt want to go back to that as a perminant server. (before you ask, yes i posted a thread about making a "pre-cu week" but that was just an idea, and for fun, i wasn't implying that i liked pre-cu better...just would be fun to have a change for a week).

I think the only thing i liked better about pre-cu was the rarety of Jedi. Which i think you all can agree with me there. And how secretive the Jedi were back then and wouldn't be stupid and flashy like they are now. All the jedi I saw pre-cu (which wasn't many) were always in hiding and when you DID finally see one, you knew damn well he was BAD ASS!!!! You do realize the number of jedi the day before the CU was pretty much the number the day after? The same handful of players who were dueling in theed pre-cu are there post-cu.

So tell me, what do you guys think about this thread, and why do you that want to live and die by pre-cu like it so much?

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