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Thread: What about this template: MDef / LS 4404 / Enh 3002 / Heal 4000

VaainEldritch
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:04 pm
#1

What I like:


  • Master Defender = close to max Innate armour and NO FORCE cost, Aura, Valor, huge melee def, etc

  • Saber skill set gives AB, Power Attack, Blind, Slash (bleed), Swipe (for KD)

  • Enhancer set gives Improved Force Speed, a -ROOT- and a -SNARE-, Force Run 1and Channel

  • Healer = 1500 heals and Improved infusion

What I don't much like:



  • Low(ish Force pool of 6050 (without robe)

  • Low(ish) Force Regeneration of +54 (without robe)

  • No MLS

This template would be for PvE with at least some chance in PvP.


Biggest fault I see here is no MLS...



  • I lose speed - BUT I can regain this with FS2 and with +50 speed in CA's...

  • I lose accuracy - BUT I can regain much of this with foods (crispic and corellian ale) and with +50 from CA's...

  • I lose a ranged KD - BUT I'm a Master Defender so I want to KD in melee range and pummel my target...

  • I lose an area attack - For a complete template Dervish is the least of my concerns...

Three LS lines - why?



  • Gives me several specials on different timers to "rock" attacks back and forth...

  • Gives me most of the desired specials except stun...

The 1-handed LS line could be sacrificed and the SP spent elsewhere, like on another Healing line (Sap), or Force Amour (no much use for an MDef), Resist States, or some other skill.


So what do you think of this template? Could it "fly"...


Peace.




Va'ain

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KiemStarbounder
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:28 pm
#2

works well, i like it alot. I do ok wen i pvp and can solo almost all mobs. Force dont really matter just channel, spd can be made up with spd2 and seens ls speeds r broke anyways, it dont make that much diff



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VaainEldritch
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:33 pm
#3






KiemStarbounder wrote:

works well, i like it alot. I do ok wen i pvp and can solo almost all mobs. Force dont really matter just channel, spd can be made up with spd2 and seens ls speeds r broke anyways, it dont make that much diff





It's also a good template to "regrind" from if I need to re-take MLS.



Va'ain

Urban Dictionary definition of SMED:

"to interfere with one's gaming enjoyment: To drastically alter an item which is enjoyed by thousands."

TO pull a smed. Jeez, those dev's pulled a smed on swg big time

Lumby_man
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:35 pm
#4

id go x444 sabers so you can spin your way out of any debt



I have a friend in -10 million xp without any spin attacks.....lets just say he will NEVER change his template





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Onash
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:35 pm
#5

It does just fine on offensive output... only thing I'd say is do ls 0444 instead of 4404 so you have an area attack. If you're tied to 1h for some reason (CAs, a pre-cu 1h saber) that's fine though.



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VaainEldritch
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:40 pm
#6






Onash wrote:
It does just fine on offensive output... only thing I'd say is do ls 0444 instead of 4404 so you have an area attack. If you're tied to 1h for some reason (CAs, a pre-cu 1h saber) that's fine though.





How perceptive you are!


My pre-CU LS is 706 max, 698 DPS, FC12, SAC 100 and I'm reluctant to lose it!


I see the above points though regarding spinning out of debt - and I am MLS right now so I could build a 2-h.



Va'ain

Urban Dictionary definition of SMED:

"to interfere with one's gaming enjoyment: To drastically alter an item which is enjoyed by thousands."

TO pull a smed. Jeez, those dev's pulled a smed on swg big time

Silas101
Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:34 pm
#7






VaainEldritch wrote:

What I like:


  • Master Defender = close to max Innate armour and NO FORCE cost, Aura, Valor, huge melee def, etc

  • Saber skill set gives AB, Power Attack, Blind, Slash (bleed), Swipe (for KD)

  • Enhancer set gives Improved Force Speed, a -ROOT- and a -SNARE-, Force Run 1and Channel

  • Healer = 1500 heals and Improved infusion

What I don't much like:



  • Low(ish Force pool of 6050 (without robe)

  • Low(ish) Force Regeneration of +54 (without robe)

  • No MLS

This template would be for PvE with at least some chance in PvP.


Biggest fault I see here is no MLS...



  • I lose speed - BUT I can regain this with FS2 and with +50 speed in CA's...

  • I lose accuracy - BUT I can regain much of this with foods (crispic and corellian ale) and with +50 from CA's...

  • I lose a ranged KD - BUT I'm a Master Defender so I want to KD in melee range and pummel my target...

  • I lose an area attack - For a complete template Dervish is the least of my concerns...

Three LS lines - why?



  • Gives me several specials on different timers to "rock" attacks back and forth...

  • Gives me most of the desired specials except stun...

The 1-handed LS line could be sacrificed and the SP spent elsewhere, like on another Healing line (Sap), or Force Amour (no much use for an MDef), Resist States, or some other skill.


So what do you think of this template? Could it "fly"...


Peace.





actually its 6150 force. bloodfin character builder doesnt add the +100 from jedi initate





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Hulke
Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:47 pm
#8

Youd be better going


MLS, Def 4044, Enh3002, Healer4000


You can do more damage with MLS.


Master Defenders extra armor is not that great if you are running aura which everyone with aura does.


You don't need the ranged defense line as the defense you use is based on what weapon YOU are holding not what weapon is hitting you. Lightsaber=melee weapon which means you only use the melee def against ALL attacks. There is a thread posted about this in here somewhere. Chef's found this out while testing foods for damage differences.


VaainEldritch
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:19 am
#9






Hulke wrote:

You don't need the ranged defense line as the defense you use is based on what weapon YOU are holding not what weapon is hitting you. Lightsaber=melee weapon which means you only use the melee def against ALL attacks. There is a thread posted about this in here somewhere. Chef's found this out while testing foods for damage differences.








Yes, I am familiar with this finding and I believe it to be correct, but I think that there is clearly a problem with the system - put simply when would Jedi actually use Ranged defence? Unless Jedi/"normal" profession hybrids were in the Dev's minds when they came up with this (now moot since apparently soon you wont be able to use Force abilities with anything but a lightsaber equipped), then it is a mistake by the programers/designers. Either way it should be corrected.



Va'ain

Urban Dictionary definition of SMED:

"to interfere with one's gaming enjoyment: To drastically alter an item which is enjoyed by thousands."

TO pull a smed. Jeez, those dev's pulled a smed on swg big time

VaainEldritch
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 am
#10






Hulke wrote:

You can do more damage with MLS.






You can? How so? Speed? Accuracy? This I know - but do you mean that there is a damage multiplier for MLS?




Va'ain

Urban Dictionary definition of SMED:

"to interfere with one's gaming enjoyment: To drastically alter an item which is enjoyed by thousands."

TO pull a smed. Jeez, those dev's pulled a smed on swg big time

Tony-
Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:15 am
#11

If this is true this whats the point of having ranged defence lines atall?


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Kal_Choedan
Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:40 am
#12

I use the same template but 0444 saber. Force isnt a problem nor is the regen. Spin gets you out of trouble with debt xp. When stun works as intended (stoping action regen) you will have stunning strike. Dont think force is an issue becuase it isnt as long as u have chanell. Your mind will be long gone before your force will be .



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tgrif11
Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:33 pm
#13

I'd take 4440 def over 4044 def anyday just for the +innate armor , even if the ranged defense doesnt work which I am not sure


All xxx4 gives you is Valor.. with MLS and Vayebroc you will block most of the attacks already.. dont really need vaor which will only cut off your damage


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