Jedi Archive
Thread: The state of the game.
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Bongo2k
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:55 pm
#1
This was taken from my server forum, so please ignore the WoW references. Wanted to know if anyone on the jedi forum agree's with me...
SWG is a shadow of its former self. Everyone has been reduced to putting up with the devs stupid idea's(How long did it take them to make the BH terms anonymous?). What set swg apart from other games before the CU was that it pushed boundries; There was no level system(per say)so you werent able to predict such things as whether you were gonna beat someone in a duel/pvp cause you were higher level than them.
Jedi were mysterious, they looked exactly the same as any TKM with comp armour(this was before pub9), just like they should be. The timeline was intact, 10 jedi and 50,000 stormtroopers. Not 50,000 jedi and 10 stormtroopers, luke was in hiding, and the rebellion was plotting against the Empire as usual. Now its full of 100's of jedi that are far from inconspicious and has just become a clone of WoW or EQ. There werent servers specificly for pvp, you could pvp on any server and at any time.
I like WoW alot now, simply because the devs have taken parts of SWG and put it into WoW, the tef/flagging system for instance. Another thing that surprised me was that the devs seem to have used their brains, you cant follow a level 60 around and powerlevel simply because you get craploads of xp without taking any damage. Quests are only avaliable when you get to a certain level. Another thing that i like about WoW is the small things; such as dueling, you cant kill someone ina duel; as soon as they get low on health the duel is ended and the winner is announced.We all know that the CSR's/Devs say that you should db after a duel, but like the bh terms it is so obviously gonna be used to grieve. Things like the Item system, you can shift click on a item, this puts its name inbrackets[] in the chat, any player can see the stats of the weapon or item without having to waste time trading. If a level 60 duels a level 50 the level 60 will win. None of this level 70 beating level 80 crap.
The fact that the devs seem insistant on totally revamping the game instead of tweaking it(which is what the jedi system/combat system needed) is another stupid concept. The old saying "Dont fix it unless it isnt broken" is so true here. The few things that needed fixing with the jedi system were with regards to holocrons, if they had simply limited the amount of holocrons you could complete in a week/month then we wouldnt be in this stupid situation like we are now. But no, you know SoE, totally revamp the system instead of fixing it.
I remember jedi as a thing of mystery, interesting and immersive. Hell, even the skill names were interesting; Force Manipulation IV: Lesser Kinesis or Lightsaber IV: Advanced Strikes. None of this 1handedLightsaber 1 crap. I mean, WHOA! they went all out in the creativity department here! Jedi went from being a immersive, fun profession to entertainment for the masses. Which is what SWG is all about now; this is also apparent in the patches. From publish 8 onwards the devs wowed dumb people with silly things like Image Designer Extra's, while stealth nerfing the hell out of everything. Remember silent holocron's? Well they were made silent on publish 8. The devs keep the dumb people(me included) happy with silly Eye Candy while they nerf the hell out of everything.
I was sucked in by this kind of crap for nearly 2 years; then i saw SWG for what it is; It is no longer a Interesting, in depth, fun, exciting portrayel of the Star Wars Universe. Its a huge money making scheme piggy backed on one of the biggest brands in the world. SoE are leeching off George Lucas' imagination and using it to make money. Its sad what the game has come to.
Free yourself of the chains that bind you! SoE just want your money and dont care at all about the Star Wars brand, everything that has happened to this point in time is proof of it. I just hope you people that still play notice this sooner or later.
AxilX
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:04 pm
#2
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Bongo2k
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:12 pm
#3
Yea, WoW is hardly uber, but its not in a bad a state as SWG is now. I vowed to myself; if id have known i liked WoW as much as i do now(i bought it the day it was released in the UK, then went back to swg). I would still have played SWG because it WAS a better game than WoW, or at least on level ground with it. Now(in my opinion) its VERY far below WoW.
Bongo2k
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:13 pm
#4
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
Ternque01
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:15 pm
#5
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
You also probably don't have to go against a field of players 1.5 times as strong as you every time you PvP only to get slaughtered by a class of players who whines that they are underpowered. THAT is the BIG kicker!
AxilX
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:18 pm
#6
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
well that's the thing.. jedi were never supposed to be around longterm, therefore they didn't have to be balanced, when perma-death was removed they became permanent features, and things went downhill from there.
LandonRyuu
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:19 pm
#7
Ternque01 wrote:
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
You also probably don't have to go against a field of players 1.5 times as strong as you every time you PvP only to get slaughtered by a class of players who whines that they are underpowered. THAT is the BIG kicker!
Obviously you've never played against a Shaman. :-P.
Anyway, in most other MMORPGs the player is the difference between being able to take on multiple players of the same level or not.
Oh and will you give up that 1.5x crap already, we're so obviously not 1.5x. If we were, Jedi would theoretically never lose a duel if Jedi knew what they were doing.
I can kill a full template Jedi on an MBH/MCM, I can kill a Jedi with a TKM/MDoc, I can kill a full template Jedi with MBH/MRifle and only some Medic. These are pretty good players.
I hate it when like in the GCW forums they whine really because Jedi have lightsabers and they do not, but they masque it under the pretense of "They are 1.5x more powerful!"
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 08-15-2005 02:20 PM
AxilX
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:20 pm
#8
Ternque01 wrote:
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
You also probably don't have to go against a field of players 1.5 times as strong as you every time you PvP only to get slaughtered by a class of players who whines that they are underpowered. THAT is the BIG kicker!
actually if you build your charecter properly, you can beat a jedi 1 v 1 every time now.. you don't have the group utility though. It's not even hard to do, the new combat system is far too simple. =/
AxilX
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:22 pm
#9
this is true but post-CU if you want to take on multiple players you have to rely on them being very bad, moreso than your own skills.. there's not very far you can go, pre-CU that wasn't the case.. And if you're beating jedi with MBH/Mrifle then you're not facing very intelligent jedi
LandonRyuu wrote:
Ternque01 wrote:
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
You also probably don't have to go against a field of players 1.5 times as strong as you every time you PvP only to get slaughtered by a class of players who whines that they are underpowered. THAT is the BIG kicker!
Obviously you've never played against a Shaman. :-P.
Anyway, in most other MMORPGs the player is the difference between being able to take on multiple players of the same level or not.
Oh and will you give up that 1.5x crap already, we're so obviously not 1.5x. If we were, Jedi would theoretically never lose a duel if Jedi knew what they were doing.
I can kill a full template Jedi on an MBH/MCM, I can kill a Jedi with a TKM/MDoc, I can kill a full template Jedi with MBH/MRifle and only some Medic. These are pretty good players.
I hate it when like in the GCW forums they whine really because Jedi have lightsabers and they do not, but they masque it under the pretense of "They are 1.5x more powerful!"
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 08-15-2005 02:20 PM
Chawncy
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:23 pm
#10
So just leave already and leave the rest of us who still have fun in this game to ourselves. We don't need any more negativity.
Bongo2k
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:24 pm
#11
AxilX wrote:
this is true but post-CU if you want to take on multiple players you have to rely on them being very bad, moreso than your own skills.. there's not very far you can go, pre-CU that wasn't the case.. And if you're beating jedi with MBH/Mrifle then you're not facing very intelligent jedi
LandonRyuu wrote:
Ternque01 wrote:
Bongo2k wrote:
AxilX wrote:
i agree with most of this, sadly there's no better option at the moment... WoW is grind intensive, and the combat depth is horrible... actually, it's about the same as Post-CU SWG, but not any better.
Lol funny you should say that. With WoW you dont have to grind a helluva lot to get a good character only to have it nerfed down to nothing(Sound familier?).
You also probably don't have to go against a field of players 1.5 times as strong as you every time you PvP only to get slaughtered by a class of players who whines that they are underpowered. THAT is the BIG kicker!
Obviously you've never played against a Shaman. :-P.
Anyway, in most other MMORPGs the player is the difference between being able to take on multiple players of the same level or not.
Oh and will you give up that 1.5x crap already, we're so obviously not 1.5x. If we were, Jedi would theoretically never lose a duel if Jedi knew what they were doing.
I can kill a full template Jedi on an MBH/MCM, I can kill a Jedi with a TKM/MDoc, I can kill a full template Jedi with MBH/MRifle and only some Medic. These are pretty good players.
I hate it when like in the GCW forums they whine really because Jedi have lightsabers and they do not, but they masque it under the pretense of "They are 1.5x more powerful!"
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 08-15-2005 02:20 PM
I'm glad that i got the amount of time before the CU that i did. Jedi actually having something up on other players(to counter balance the fact that the armour gave the non jedi a up against them)was a nice thing. Now we have no armour and no LS vulnerability.
Bongo2k
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:27 pm
#12
Chawncy wrote:
So just leave already and leave the rest of us who still have fun in this game to ourselves. We don't need any more negativity.
I have left lmao, doesnt stop me posting on the forums. I see SWG as having potential(however much of it has been wasted up until now)maybe i shouldnt have made this post, cause you clearly cant see the lies you are being fed. Carry on in your happy little world, itll hit you one day and youll realise SWG is a pathetic example of the Star Wars universe.
AxilX
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:30 pm
#13
Chawncy wrote:
So just leave already and leave the rest of us who still have fun in this game to ourselves. We don't need any more negativity.
negative feedback is a prerequsite for posative change.
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