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Thread: Jedi Correspondent: Force Healing Vs Medic 0040 : Unbelievable
Really it is just the plain fact that trained medics will heal more than trained diplomats and warriors. My combat lifesaver course in the Army didn't prepare me to work in a hospital. The other abilities jedi have more than balance out the healing ONCE PEARL DROPS ARE MORE COMMON AND BACK TO NORMAL. I had to put that last part in because it is a legitimate gripe for the jedi community. I feel your pain on that one.
Besides that with the foods you mention that toon will have little room for offensive defensive foods or spices to aid in combat. All they are is a heal monkey that is cut down quick.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-05-2005 08:21 PM
Unika wrote:
Whoever sold you those mods for that got ripped. On Tarq they sell for a lot more, and why shouldn't they heal better. They can't shoot lightning, choke people, use a lightsaber, or if they go commando, do a special without another profession.
Really it is just the plain fact that trained medics will heal more than trained diplomats and warriors. My combat lifesaver course in the Army didn't prepare me to work in a hospital. The other abilities jedi have more than balance out the healing ONCE PEARL DROPS ARE MORE COMMON AND BACK TO NORMAL. I had to put that last part in because it is a legitimate gripe for the jedi community. I feel your pain on that one.
Besides that with the foods you mention that toon will have little room for offensive defensive foods or spices to aid in combat. All they are is a heal monkey that is cut down quick.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-05-200508:21 PM
except that nothing in SWG thats in combat can survive without good healing... whoever has the best healing can most of the time win its just as important if not more than damage output
therefore the most powerful combat class should have the most powerfull healing... because thats one of theparts that makes it more powerfull
Unika wrote:
Whoever sold you those mods for that got ripped. On Tarq they sell for a lot more, and why shouldn't they heal better. They can't shoot lightning, choke people, use a lightsaber, or if they go commando, do a special without another profession.
Really it is just the plain fact that trained medics will heal more than trained diplomats and warriors. My combat lifesaver course in the Army didn't prepare me to work in a hospital. The other abilities jedi have more than balance out the healing ONCE PEARL DROPS ARE MORE COMMON AND BACK TO NORMAL. I had to put that last part in because it is a legitimate gripe for the jedi community. I feel your pain on that one.
Besides that with the foods you mention that toon will have little room for offensive defensive foods or spices to aid in combat. All they are is a heal monkey that is cut down quick.Message Edited by Unika on 09-05-2005 08:21 PM
Wow. In this game there is this thing called a template. I'd say you can have 2 melee or 2 ranged masteries and into another with medic 0040.
Unika wrote:
Whoever sold you those mods for that got ripped. On Tarq they sell for a lot more, and why shouldn't they heal better. They can't shoot lightning, choke people, use a lightsaber, or if they go commando, do a special without another profession.
Really it is just the plain fact that trained medics will heal more than trained diplomats and warriors. My combat lifesaver course in the Army didn't prepare me to work in a hospital. The other abilities jedi have more than balance out the healing ONCE PEARL DROPS ARE MORE COMMON AND BACK TO NORMAL. I had to put that last part in because it is a legitimate gripe for the jedi community. I feel your pain on that one.
Besides that with the foods you mention that toon will have little room for offensive defensive foods or spices to aid in combat. All they are is a heal monkey that is cut down quick.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-05-2005 08:21 PM
OKAY NOOBY NOOB!
1) +17 Healing Eff clothing goes for about . . oh 25k a piece. cheap as crap.
2) Lighting sucks
3) Sabers suck.
4) Choke is mildly entertaining.
5) HE'S TALKING ABOUT MEDIC 0040 FOR GOD SAKES NOT 4 YEARS IN EVIL MEDICAL SCHOOL.
6) From now on you don't get to speak unless spoken to.
And oh BTW, pearls and crystals are never coming back.
. And if you'd say that the healing is only enough for me because I'm master defender, I'll save you the trouble. Look at the post entitled "you're jedi, start acting like it" the part where he talks about roles. The damage healing line of force healer should be enough to keep a tank up under reasonable fire. And that's all. Otherwise healer takes the role of tank away from the tank and gives it to anyone. Not really fair to the tank. Personally I feal the solution to all of this is to make the rewards of the FRS to be extra skill points. Not that SOE will ever listen to me, but I don't know of any jedi masterin star wars that hadto give up his lightsaber to become a healer and still be an okay defender and have some powers..... anyway that's my rant.
Message Edited by Elven_Prowler on 09-05-2005 09:07 PM
Tanilith wrote:
Unika wrote:
Whoever sold you those mods for that got ripped. On Tarq they sell for a lot more, and why shouldn't they heal better. They can't shoot lightning, choke people, use a lightsaber, or if they go commando, do a special without another profession.
Really it is just the plain fact that trained medics will heal more than trained diplomats and warriors. My combat lifesaver course in the Army didn't prepare me to work in a hospital. The other abilities jedi have more than balance out the healing ONCE PEARL DROPS ARE MORE COMMON AND BACK TO NORMAL. I had to put that last part in because it is a legitimate gripe for the jedi community. I feel your pain on that one.
Besides that with the foods you mention that toon will have little room for offensive defensive foods or spices to aid in combat. All they are is a heal monkey that is cut down quick.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-05-2005 08:21 PM
OKAY NOOBY NOOB!
1) +17 Healing Eff clothing goes for about . . oh 25k a piece. cheap as crap.
2) Lighting sucks
3) Sabers suck.
4) Choke is mildly entertaining.
5) HE'S TALKING ABOUT MEDIC 0040 FOR GOD SAKES NOT 4 YEARS IN EVIL MEDICAL SCHOOL.
6) From now on you don't get to speak unless spoken to.
And oh BTW, pearls and crystals are never coming back.
Sabers dont Suck... And i think your post was very invalid on the subject and too harsh..
IF you pick your skills wisely and know how to play a jedi with the right foods and gear you can win about everyfight..
I fought a cloaker the other night.. He wasnt even Master Powered, He was just a dabbler, His Foods he ate give him about the total def of MDef , Making me miss horriblely as im MBH/MCarb/CM4000, His PRE CU saber helped him alot.
Whenever his Aura wasnt running or his food ran out is when i was able to put a hurt on him.. i think he was MLS/4004 something def.../Power 04000/ And some part of healing.
The filling on thaktillo is very high, the duration very low. The skillpoint cost for Medic0040 is 29. After the thak wears off in only a few minutes your heals will be about 800. When you eat thak you will not have room for your other foods since your only other option would be pikatta -- a Defender is nothing without pikatta. Medic 0040 does not have any heal-over-time heals. You cannot use Bacta Shot when you are knocked down. The re-use timer is a lot longer than 2 seconds. The mind pool is significantly smaller than the force pool. You will run out of mind way before you run out of force. If you use 29 skillpoints for Novice Medic skills you will have a significantly reduced force pool.
Unika,
Kindly go and duel anycombat elite master proffessionand you use only stimpacks, do not use medic bacta shot healing.
Then come back and tell me who won.
Now go back and face the same guy but you having only medic 0020 skills, use all the bacta shot you want.
Then come back and tell me who won.
This is the position where jedi are in now.
A skillset that takes 10 minutes to achieve and very little XP that uses ONE ham bar (mind) is outperforming a skillset that takes days of grinding and that costs TWO bars to utilize (force and mind).
Kinda like a marksman 4000 outperforming your master commando character in combat. but i guess that would be...balanced to you right?
Kinda like a marksman 4000 outperforming your master commando character in combat. but i guess that would be...balanced to you right?
Heh. that is a good way to look at it.
If the proffessions deal with the same substance thenskill pointsand difficulty to obtain skill SHOULD be a factor.
While wearing 2 BE clothes (bando/pants) with +18 heal eff mods, I can heal myself for 970pts of damage. That is with 29sp used up. Just 1sp higher than 2000healer. Now, imagine healing yourself with a self healing medical droid (that I've seen some bh's using). Easily over 1k of heals done every 4-7 seconds. I give this timer based on lag. Personally, gorath server if heavily lagged and heals take longer to go off than normal. After pub 24, if we are still able to heal and use our force crap, I will be going with a template that has 4000doc in it. Force heal is just not worth it.
P.S.- Dont compare your Army combat medic course to anything, I've been there, done that lousy class 8 times (since you need to re-cert every year), and it's the same ol' bs since '97.
Message Edited by loophole on 09-05-2005 09:30 PM
loophole wrote:
While wearing 2 BE clothes (bando/pants) with +18 heal eff mods, I can heal myself for 970pts of damage. That is with 29sp used up. Just 1sp higher than 2000healer. Now, imagine healing yourself with a self healing medical droid (that I've seen some bh's using). Easily over 1k of heals done every 4-7 seconds. I give this timer based on lag. Personally, gorath server if heavily lagged and heals take longer to go off than normal. After pub 24, if we are still able to heal and use our force crap, I will be going with a template that has 4000doc in it. Force heal is just not worth it.
OhBuggah wrote:
The filling on thaktillo is very high, the duration very low. The skillpoint cost for Medic0040 is 29. After the thak wears off in only a few minutes your heals will be about 800. When you eat thak you will not have room for your other foods since your only other option would be pikatta -- a Defender is nothing without pikatta. Medic 0040 does not have any heal-over-time heals. You cannot use Bacta Shot when you are knocked down. The re-use timer is a lot longer than 2 seconds. The mind pool is significantly smaller than the force pool. You will run out of mind way before you run out of force. If you use 29 skillpoints for Novice Medic skills you will have a significantly reduced force pool.
it is indeed smaller but with all of the aforementioned buffs, the mind pool is virtually limitless due to insane regeneration. add on top the buffs that a BH could get from the revamped SL skills coupled with the usual doc/food/spice buffs, mind pool will never go down. force pool as you know has a 10 to 15minute regen if you lack channel which has a severe cost.
the original poster is correct. mind regen is too high when compared to jedi's ability to heal.