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Thread: Take Cloak Out Of The Game
Tricerix wrote:
SoloBacca1 wrote:
Take you out of the game is what we need! You and the rest of Nef Criesers, I swear if Cloak was your ability you would have complained about people asking for a removel of it... DONT LIE! We all know what you mean exactly! I am going to report this post, and no you cannot speak me of it! Bye Bye cya in hell!
I am sorry rest of you reading this... I just got really mad on all those Nerf Caller's... Have a good day, this post isnt worthy it dont read more!
I'm not saying nerf jedi, I'm saying take the magic voodoo out of swg that includes stasis, pistoleer root, cloak, cover, paralyze, supression, and any kind of snare there is.
there is nothing magic voodo about someone getting paralysed snared if you got shot in the knee cap rooted if you got badly shot in the foot, cover if your camoflaging to blend in
the force is the only magic voodo in this game because it is the force, cloak doesnt make anyone disappear it makes people believe its not there
Unfortately that wouldn't work either. SOE are currently planning on making snare negate force-run. It's unsure whether or not it will actually happen yet as Jedi are obviously a little pissed about yet another nerf which seems to be solely targetted at them.
Gorthu wrote:
If all that magic voodoo is removed....think about your other jedi skills. FR becomes a viable "exit" move or "closing" move as one example.
iskareot wrote:
And once again another difference from old jedi and this new one.
We did not cry nerf on each other... (we couldnt lol).. but still...
I there should be a 5 or 6 month wait on getting into the Jedi boards from the unlock time. -- its getting to the point where old Jedi wont come here...
furlock1 wrote:
TheNarcis wrote:
The only thing they need to do to cloak is make it so they cannot access ANY terminal while being cloaked. And not able to enter faction bases while cloaked. Make it so you cannot heal cloaked, or force meditate. (for the just of the game and GCW)
Other than that it is fine. If they cloak and run away and say "haha" it just shows they know your a threat and far superior to them. Dont get schrewd about it.
Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-16-2005 12:26 PM
Umm why? You can access a terminal with AI running (there is no way someone with AI will even make it to the terminal in a PVP base with that snare on without the group killing him), and or Force Armored, there is no single reason I should not be able to access a terminal cloaked, not a single one. (for GCW balance, how ist fair that a whole 8 man group can work hard taking down a base, then some cloaker walks in and resets terminal with no risk at all. Ask the GCW boards why!)As for healing, yes I should be allowed to do that, where it should break and wasn't previously was healing others did decloak you, I have no idea what happened there, it changed. (it isnt right cloakers can heal others in PvPwith no risk again. Cant have the "I Win" button wiht no risks).And yes I should be able to meditate I bought the skill (and the description for meditate says it leaves you vilnerable, with cloak your not, and you can sit there and meditate all day long and never have cloak run out in a mob of NPCs, you dont see anything wrong with the balance? You can still use meditate without being immortal) , again I am not some uber defender, either %$@!( off or let's nerf defendr so you can't have healing. Leave Powers alone, if you want to change it have Cloak stuck in master, because only defender/cloak tree are the ones that appaer to gank you and most of those are rebels, trust me I know. Cloak is a defense just like any other skill, tree has a defense. Enhancer has Force Armor, MLS has Block, Healing has shock, sap, Defender, is defense. And Powers has cloak, taking it out is about as stupid as me taking your Force armor away in defender. (you are getting way toosilly over little things, these would make it more balanced without it being NERFED.. those are not nerfs what I mentioned, they are balances. You can still cloak and run away, thet is what the skill was INTENDED for, not being uber "I win" all the time... as for Mdef, they are nefing its AI, and as long as cloak is being abused with those things, you will see a much harder nerf than things I mentioned. You can almost guarantee that. After all, its better than a snare.)
Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-16-2005 12:49 PM
Did you miss my comment (since you only selectively posted part of my response) about if the proposed changes go through.....?...but if those snares were not in the game then what i said remains. unless they nerfed the skill itself.
Azino wrote:
Unfortately that wouldn't work either. SOE are currently planning on making snare negate force-run. It's unsure whether or not it will actually happen yet as Jedi are obviously a little pissed about yet another nerf which seems to be solely targetted at them.
Gorthu wrote:
If all that magic voodoo is removed....think about your other jedi skills. FR becomes a viable "exit" move or "closing" move as one example.
Message Edited by Gorthu on 10-16-2005 11:56 AM
Ghert wrote:
Stop
Crying
For
Jedi
Nerfs.
YOU should be removed from this game.
QFE. We are our own worst enemies. Besides. The jedi screaming nerf cloak. Remember. When the non jedi are done complaining when cloak gets nerfed, you really think they are going to stop complaining? Then it will be stasis and improved aura. Oh yes, they will eventually get to a skill you have unless you back your fellow powers jedi.
Tricerix wrote:
Cloak is easily and often bugged by many jedi, it promotes gank wars where noone fights unless they have a serious number advantage, and it ruins the GCW for non-jedi professions. There is no sure fire way to de-cloak a fleeing enemy, so if say like 3 cloakers attack 2 defenders and the cloakers get wooped, they just fr away and cloak, then come right back when they think the enemy is un-prepared. Also I have never one time in the movies seen a jedi dissapear ............I believe wraiths in LOTR cloaked though(in the books). The purpose of the CU was to create a fast paced and "even" playing field..................not one where any coward can just keep attacking another where the victim cannot do anything back.
/whap
you work for SOE don't you?
Gorthu wrote:
Did you miss my comment (since you only selectively posted part of my response) about if the proposed changes go through.....?...but if those snares were not in the game then what i said remains. unless they nerfed the skill itself.
TheNarcis wrote:
furlock1 wrote:
TheNarcis wrote:
The only thing they need to do to cloak is make it so they cannot access ANY terminal while being cloaked. And not able to enter faction bases while cloaked. Make it so you cannot heal cloaked, or force meditate. (for the just of the game and GCW)
Other than that it is fine. If they cloak and run away and say "haha" it just shows they know your a threat and far superior to them. Dont get schrewd about it.
Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-16-2005 12:26 PM
Umm why? You can access a terminal with AI running (there is no way someone with AI will even make it to the terminal in a PVP base with that snare on without the group killing him), and or Force Armored, there is no single reason I should not be able to access a terminal cloaked, not a single one. (for GCW balance, how ist fair that a whole 8 man group can work hard taking down a base, then some cloaker walks in and resets terminal with no risk at all. Ask the GCW boards why!)As for healing, yes I should be allowed to do that, where it should break and wasn't previously was healing others did decloak you, I have no idea what happened there, it changed. (it isnt right cloakers can heal others in PvPwith no risk again. Cant have the "I Win" button wiht no risks).And yes I should be able to meditate I bought the skill (and the description for meditate says it leaves you vilnerable, with cloak your not, and you can sit there and meditate all day long and never have cloak run out in a mob of NPCs, you dont see anything wrong with the balance? You can still use meditate without being immortal) , again I am not some uber defender, either %$@!( off or let's nerf defendr so you can't have healing. Leave Powers alone, if you want to change it have Cloak stuck in master, because only defender/cloak tree are the ones that appaer to gank you and most of those are rebels, trust me I know. Cloak is a defense just like any other skill, tree has a defense. Enhancer has Force Armor, MLS has Block, Healing has shock, sap, Defender, is defense. And Powers has cloak, taking it out is about as stupid as me taking your Force armor away in defender. (you are getting way toosilly over little things, these would make it more balanced without it being NERFED.. those are not nerfs what I mentioned, they are balances. You can still cloak and run away, thet is what the skill was INTENDED for, not being uber "I win" all the time... as for Mdef, they are nefing its AI, and as long as cloak is being abused with those things, you will see a much harder nerf than things I mentioned. You can almost guarantee that. After all, its better than a snare.)
Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-16-2005 12:49 PM
I am a Masterless Full Template Jedi... I know all about not being the hardest hitting and not being able to take a hit. I chose the template that I have mainly because it sounded fun and it seemed I could still take care of business. Well, guess what, I can take care of business, I do have weak points and I have some strong points.. All this nerf crying is seriously killing my template.. Anyways on to this this odd reply.
One thing that the devs did not do in this game was make a counter to cloak. There should be some ability given to some profession that can detect cloaked jedi. Trust me.. I am not asking for a nerf to cloak.. I need it to much, but I feel that it would resolve some of the nerf crap if they would add that ability. Should probably be a ranger ability.
Cloaked healing sounds fine with me... As a cloaker when I am in a pvp event, I do try to run around healing while cloaked. Like I said, I am not the most powerful template so I do what I can to help. With all of the area attacks and people in a good sized pvp encounter, your force does not stay up very long. Don't forget that when you are cloaked, you are using force when you are around your un grouped allies and your enemies. Not to mention Healing costs force as well. An "I WIN" button this is not.
Cloaking while meditating is fine as well.. Wouldn't you think a jedi that is tuning his mind would be able to cloak himself if he has that ability. The description you read on the meditate ability should be read as if that was the only skill you had.. Skills do stack you know.
Anyways... SOE seems to listen to the biggest whining crowd so I am sure the ability to walk in the game will be nerfed real soon...
Message Edited by BrainWarp on 10-16-2005 01:15 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! that ttles totally made me crack up lol
now go release pressure urself OP
P.S. In case u dont know wat i meant, i meant "Go F*** URSELF"
Tricerix wrote:
Cloak is easily and often bugged by many jedi, it promotes gank wars where noone fights unless they have a serious number advantage, and it ruins the GCW for non-jedi professions. There is no sure fire way to de-cloak a fleeing enemy, so if say like 3 cloakers attack 2 defenders and the cloakers get wooped, they just fr away and cloak, then come right back when they think the enemy is un-prepared. Also I have never one time in the movies seen a jedi dissapear ............I believe wraiths in LOTR cloaked though(in the books). The purpose of the CU was to create a fast paced and "even" playing field..................not one where any coward can just keep attacking another where the victim cannot do anything back.
Nerf whinger /addignore
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