Jedi Archive
Thread: Baciacca dont waste your time with the cloak blokes
Jedi was left almost untouched in the combat upgrade. We are not x1.5, not x0.5, x0.1. We are not balanced against anything at all becouse there is no design.
sessions2004 wrote:
jedi is still 1.5x of any proffesion in 1v1. you just need to know how to play your template. and i am not a cloaker or defender
sessions2004 wrote:
StellarSwordsman wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
Riflemen does not equal jedi.
Jedi are supposed to be 1.5x stronger than any other template.
However thats not the case.
Healing is what needs to be nerfed.
jedi is still 1.5x of any proffesion in 1v1. you just need to know how to play your template. and iam not a cloaker or defender
I do know how to play my template.
BTW ive never been killed bya BH.
When i see a BH with a 1000+ modded DPS rifle out there, can root, heal faster than i can, well let me do the math on that one...
sessions2004 wrote:
StellarSwordsman wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
Riflemen does not equal jedi.
Jedi are supposed to be 1.5x stronger than any other template.
However thats not the case.
Healing is what needs to be nerfed.
jedi is still 1.5x of any proffesion in 1v1. you just need to know how to play your template. and iam not a cloaker or defender
Its an alpha strike for evryone. Your template can easily perform an alpha strike, indeed MLS MP is a perfect alpha strike template, your focus is fast damage with little defence.. with the new application of cloak it will allow you to open with strong damage and then force your foe into a healing loop, at which point its only a matter of time untill you win.
TheCapn2000 wrote:
sessions2004 wrote:
get us the FRS back instead so we have some end content. right now the game is over after you reach finish temp.
you honestly thing that the FRS is the content solution???
As of right now it is. There is nothing else to do in this game anymore. ROTW of a 2 week thing. The new expansion will be a 2 week thing. PvP is a load of crap. PvE is horrible. Half of the original people you play with have quit. The game is boring. Every jedi that PvP'ed hardcore Pre-CU only have one thing set on their minds for this game, and that is the FRS. They don't want useless nerfs or people whining about nerfs. They don't want useless expansions. They don't want to PvE anymore because they've killed everything already. And they are getting bored of the game because they have no one to play with because either, A) Their friends have quit for good. Or B) They are waiting for the FRS. 3/4 of the Jedi that play this game are only still playing this game for the FRS, and you know it.
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
If you need to pick up cloak to be better then a Non-Jedi in PvP, then you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. How are you going to kill a Non-Jedi in cloak? Kill him with words or something? The only way to kill someone is to do damage, and while cloaked you can't do damage. Cloak = you're affraid of PvP and don't want to die on the Internet. Stop whining about cloak getting nerfed. Cloak is as useless as CH in PvP. Stop bitching.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
We'll stop bitching if you stop reading.
Redeemer99 wrote:
If you need to pick up cloak to be better then a Non-Jedi in PvP, then you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. How are you going to kill a Non-Jedi in cloak? Kill him with words or something? The only way to kill someone is to do damage, and while cloaked you can't do damage. Cloak = you're affraid of PvP and don't want to die on the Internet. Stop whining about cloak getting nerfed. Cloak is as useless as CH in PvP. Stop bitching.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
Drazharr wrote:
We'll stop bitching if you stop reading.
Redeemer99 wrote:
If you need to pick up cloak to be better then a Non-Jedi in PvP, then you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. How are you going to kill a Non-Jedi in cloak? Kill him with words or something? The only way to kill someone is to do damage, and while cloaked you can't do damage. Cloak = you're affraid of PvP and don't want to die on the Internet. Stop whining about cloak getting nerfed. Cloak is as useless as CH in PvP. Stop bitching.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
I stop reading when you stop bitching about useless skills being nerfed.
eternalfool wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
StellarSwordsman wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
Riflemen does not equal jedi.
Jedi are supposed to be 1.5x stronger than any other template.
However thats not the case.
Healing is what needs to be nerfed.
I mentioned rifleman because it has the only comparable skill to cloak. I mentioned how it had been balanced to make it a fairly effective but not imbalanced skill.
The ability to run at the speed of a speeder bike while invisible is imbalanced.
The ability to use combat skills such as heals and buffs while cloaked is imbalanced.
The ability to attack while cloaked is imbalanced. (an exploit yes, but one that nearly everyone can do if they want to)
These issues have all been addressed from whatI can see. Cloak is no longer an uber skill that allows people to dictate exactly how a combat progresses, if at all. I can understand its new application as an 'alpha strike' andI can respect that, why cant you?
An alpha strike for whom? Defenders? It certainly is not gonna be an option at all for me, an MLS/MP/4040 Healer. If I decloak and attack now, I can't recloak to get away.
Its an alpha strike for evryone. Your template can easily perform an alpha strike, indeed MLS MP is a perfect alpha strike template, your focus is fast damage with little defence.. with the new application of cloak it will allow you to open with strong damage and then force your foe into a healing loop, at which point its only a matter of time untill you win.
Lol, how does putting a snare on cloak improve my "alpha-strike" capability? The only thing that does is make me consume gobs more force as I turtle walk toward my target.
And since BHsusually get the "first strike" against me, the snare will take away my escape from them.
Your just wrong on the facts here, man, but you don't see it 'cause you don't really care. Most folks without cloak don't. I'm not slamming ya', you seem to be cool. But you don't understand and you can't understand. It's not part of your playstyle or mindset.
So, good luck to you and may the force be with you!
Then I guess you'll be reading for a while.
Redeemer99 wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
We'll stop bitching if you stop reading.
Redeemer99 wrote:
If you need to pick up cloak to be better then a Non-Jedi in PvP, then you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. How are you going to kill a Non-Jedi in cloak? Kill him with words or something? The only way to kill someone is to do damage, and while cloaked you can't do damage. Cloak = you're affraid of PvP and don't want to die on the Internet. Stop whining about cloak getting nerfed. Cloak is as useless as CH in PvP. Stop bitching.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
I stop reading when you stop bitching about useless skills being nerfed.
Drazharr wrote:
Then I guess you'll be reading for a while.
Redeemer99 wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
We'll stop bitching if you stop reading.
Redeemer99 wrote:
If you need to pick up cloak to be better then a Non-Jedi in PvP, then you shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. How are you going to kill a Non-Jedi in cloak? Kill him with words or something? The only way to kill someone is to do damage, and while cloaked you can't do damage. Cloak = you're affraid of PvP and don't want to die on the Internet. Stop whining about cloak getting nerfed. Cloak is as useless as CH in PvP. Stop bitching.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
1.5x better means Jedi should be able to move while cloaked. Nerfing cloak isn't the answer but if you thing that way then join the dev team.
I stop reading when you stop bitching about useless skills being nerfed.
Most likely
StellarSwordsman wrote:
eternalfool wrote:
cloak needed a nerf.. rifleman cover worked cos u had to stay prone, cloak was imbalanced..
Riflemen does not equal jedi.
Jedi are supposed to be 1.5x stronger than any other template.
However thats not the case.
Healing is what needs to be nerfed.
If your talking about the Jedi Healing abilities as 'what needs to be nerfed' then S.T.F.U.coz Healing has already been nerfed and it's even worse than regular prof healings.So I meant it,S.T.F.U.
If you mean the regular prof heals then ignore above.I think regular prof heals(that of a CM) needs longer timers(but not a big change,just 1-3 secs more so it's not surpassing Jedi heals).
Message Edited by KingVermir on 09-20-2005 05:07 PM