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Thread: A WAKE UP CALL FOR SOE PLAYERS

JFragment
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:20 am
#40

So flaming Garva and having him ban you is better? If the DEVS changed their deadlines because of player feedback they would never finish anything.





Like I posted in a previous, being banned would probably make it easier to leave a game I have loved to play for the past 2 yrs.


We didn't ask them to speed up their development, a large portion of the player base has asked to not have content implented to the game. Lot of wasted time on their parts I feel them pushing patches live and then fixing bugs and unbalanced game play. Just my opinion.

AgentDib
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:57 am
#41








lspiderl wrote:
example 2



Hey i just spent 4 hours testing this new publish and found that x( skill or ability or change) is Very unbalanced and is giving y(persona able to use x) and damaticaly unfair advantage can u please look into this and try to correct the situation if need be id be happy to submit the details of my testing .


ok do we ALL see the differance here example one gets u BANNED and everyone MAD while example to is inteligent and well thought and can accualy get things DONE





That's a very nice ideal. Out of curiousity, however, can you list any of the many instances in which thedevs have significantly nerfed our profession or screwed us in some manner, and then changed their minds based on polite posts stating facts?


The final respec is pretty much the only thing I can think of where the players ever got their way, and that was done by account cancellations, petitions, and a lot of very very angry customers. Politely stating facts doesn't seem to work with SOE at all.




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lspiderl
Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:04 pm
#42

I must say that with the exception of 1 or 2 posts KUDOS to you all while not everyone agrees with me i dont expect them to but this thread has so far been a peacefull and fairly inteligent conversation between a great many mature players and the most mature thread ive seen so far about this situation i hope we can continue this particular discussion and even move on to other threads in the same mature and respectful maner



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buckeye_bob
Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:18 pm
#43

im calling bull to most of your "constructive posts"



From day one the devs have ignored the player base, on the lowca server I was in a guild of mostly 30+ IT or similar professionals. They broke this game down with bars, graphs, etc that would make your head spin. Items where brought up back then to devs directly, and ignored. This process was repeated over and over. Look thru the post history on most prof boards, this has happened to almost every prof at least once.


For the people that havent been around that long, the most recent occurance of this was the xp nerf. The player base said no, in testing, over and over. They also said it in live. It took outside news sources reporting on it, for the devs to do something.


The devs, the csrs, whoever just keeps the peace to make sure people keep paying that 15 dollars, and thats all they will ever do.





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SephorOTH
Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:05 am
#44






lspiderl wrote:

:in regards to the ridiculous behaviors of a great # of individuals:




Ok first off lemmie just start by saying that a LOT of people are WAY out of line and reading things WAY out of context that post said NOTHING about not caring about peoples opinions .


What it DID say was that people expressed tehre opinions and after that have continued to RATN mindless drivel flaming everyone and every thing thinking that SOMEHOW that will accualy accomplish something when in fact it WILL NOT and it is ALSO a direct violation of the policy we ALL agreed to when we first signed up


LOOK i DONT like everything that has happened and every change that is made and that is my RIGHT as a paying customer to express that belief BUT i must do so in an appropriate and mature maner NOT running around making posts saing MINDLESS drivel like oh soe BLAH BLAH BLAH DEVS BLAH BLAH BLAH and all the other infinate series of rediculous posts that pop up EVERY SINGLE TIME A CHANGE IS MADE omg how ccan anyone EVER expect them to be able to balance the game and fix the bugs when no matter what the do they can please EVERYONE , and any change made or attempted fix made gets torn appart by a bunch of selfish self centered customers that start acting like 2 year olds after mommy sez no u cant have cookies for breakfast ....... GROW UP we all pay to play if u dont like it then STOP PAYING AND STOP PLAYING and for gods sake STOP THE MINDLESS POSTING because were all sick ot it . i would LOVE to see soe make major changes and balances and bug fixes but throwing a temper tantrum is sure ass hell NOT gonna help that happen . As my drill sargent always said SUCK IT UP, DRIVE ON if u dont like it LEAVE if u DO realize that there trying to make this game great then shut up unless u have honest positive feedback to give.


example 1


OMG THE F*** PUB SUCK AND IS TOTALY F***ING UNBALANCED OMG IM GONNA F***ING LEAVE OMG


this is NOT how u get things fixed balanced changed or in any way accomplished its childish and very immiture


example 2


Hey i just spent 4 hours testing this new publish and found that x( skill or ability or change) is Very unbalanced and is giving y(persona able to use x) and damaticaly unfair advantage can u please look into this and try to correct the situation if need be id be happy to submit the details of my testing .



ok do we ALL see the differance here example one gets u BANNED and everyone MAD while example to is inteligent and well thought and can accualy get things DONE






ps : note that i have also posted this on my galaxies forums as well as here







I agree, however i think most of these people are just completely fed up with SOE and... i dont know about you but PPL have been trying to be nice while angry on these forums to SOE for a long time. One thing i notice is there wasnt this much hate on these boards 5-6 months ago. So something has happened, and the result is this for an incompetent company.


Im from the Bria server and we've been screwed over more times than i can count on my fingers and toes.... and i have 6 toes on one foot, so that even gives them the benefit of the doubt lol. Anyway if you look at the Bria forums you'll see less hate filled threads toward SOE now, because Bria is about to shoot to the lowest populated server when DnL comes out, so none of us care anymore.


In fact the rebs and Imps have more or less made friends and pretty much just get on to have little PvP skirmishes here and there cause we're trying to kill time until DnL release.



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Omanik
Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:23 am
#45

/agree This alone would probably fix the game just for the simple fact of getting constructive info to the devs and everyone being mature about it. I think we have just as much power to fix the game as the DEVs.. If we could get 70% of the forum population to start posting like this we would probably get a lot more done.

Saihi
Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:44 am
#46

since you posted this in a couple different spots here is my response from your other post


I understand what you are trying to say, and I agree that your example one is the kind of thing that really doesn't help anything.


however...


Every profession in this game has a correspondent that the players constantly give feedback to reguarding the individual professions. The correspondents for the most part do an excellent job of getting a concensus of how the majority of players of each profession feel to be the most important issues for the profession. The correspondents donate much of their own time (for free) to get it all organized and clarified so that the dev's can easily find out this issues just by reading one or two posts per profession. The posts by the correspondents are in no way rants.


Here is where the problem comes in. The correspondents identify problems A, B, and C. The dev's (or whoever makes the final decisions) decides that he (they) really dont give a flying **** about A,B, and C, and instead go with what they feel is needed D. So they have taken a wealth of knowledge given to them by the Corr's, and in 90% of the cases since this game came out, utterly ignored it. They have taken the correspondents, and turned them into meat sheilds to absorb the fury of a constantly growing frustration filled player base. Many, many Corr's have resigned over the frustration of constantly trying to do the right thing, and been UTTERLY IGNORED. \


This is why many players have resorted to just lashing out about everything. Most of them DO CARE about the game. Of course there are always gonna be people that do nothing but look for a fire to pour more gas on, and alot of the way it escalted was due to those types. However dont dismiss all those that are angry just as a bunch of ingrates who dont know how to express themselves any other way. Many have tried to do it EVERY other way already, and are just fed up.


I agree with you that some people are only making things worse though.


Saihi







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HimFan
Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:54 am
#47

IspiderI FTW!



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