Jedi Archive
Thread: SQUAD LEADER CHANGES AND JEDI
SakeO
Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:16 am
#28
Omanik wrote:
lol, well to the bhs out there.. good luck finding a squad leader when it first comes out..
IfI recall correctly, the prereqs are such that a BH could have a line of SL in about an hour of fast grinding. Probably master in a day.
The real issue with SL buffs applying into the "one-on-one" fight is that there could be multiple SLs in the group. I think the simplest fix is probably one where buffs cant be reapplied after the TEF goes up. This will make the initial onslaught a bit rougher but should be survivable since the buffs are short.
acmtalk
Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:43 am
#29
dude.. We dont need Their Buffs, If you are a padwan griding in a group, you should have a SL anyways... If you are full template, food can do the work.. If you are a full template and Die more then u kill, you SUX!
stonecoldtool
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:35 pm
#30
Im full template. Out of the past 10 bh attacks I died 1 time cause they were able to out last my force cause they caught me in the middle of a duel with a friend, but Im not crying, good fight, I welcome them. So 9 out of 10 I win, not bad, they wre full templates, most of em MBH MCM. Me Im MLS 4-0-4-4 def 4-0-0-0 healer and 3-0-0-2 enhancer with +24 to extra speed (general and 1h ls), But I will say this, the MCM MBH community has been saying and I have seen it that thier combo can outlast a mdef mls with almost no enhancer with little problem. They are able to use the MCM heals, ruby beil and stims which take no mind or action cost. Im not crying nerf to the stims, I use em myself lol. But it seems to me, that with no skill tapes on a jedi full temp who knows how to duel vs a no skill taped mbh mcm who knows how to duel should be a no brainer. It was stated before that as full template we are supposed to be 1.5 times stronger then non jedi full templates. But if they can outlast our force and then kill us, doesnt that mean we are not 1.5 times stronger? Im not saying in 1 mighty swoop we should be able to kill all non jedi lol that would be retarded. But I have seen it a bunch of times where 2 know how to duel people go at it 1 jedi 1 mbh mcm both with doc buffs and pretty close to almost the same foods, drink and spices and the fight takes FOREVER and the BH wins cause he can out heal out last the jedi's force pool. Now I know that BH will read this and NOT respond to each fact I state. They will pick out a little sentance or word heer and there and flame it ignoring the full body of my post here. 1.5 stronger is 1.5 stronger and it is not there BECAUSE soe did not fully test every angle and every possibility taht a BH could come up with. The players are smarter then the developers. I dont think there will ever be a sure fire way to make it where we are 1.5 times stronger like we are supposed to be with how things are. Some tweak needs to be made with either our force pool, non jedi heals, jedi heals, pearl/crystal tuning, and or sac. Im not saying to all, jsut 1 or 2 or a combo, something. With the way tiggs put it regarding better then good pearls new jedi are in for a rough time and its not fair to them. They pay to play like I do, why cant they have the same availability that I did for better pearls and crystals? Why not? BH have better access to better weapons without the same nerf we do. They dont have to worry about tunes going bad on a rifle. Anyeays, fklame on my brothers and sisters, flame on LMAO
Give in to your anger 
gassygunslinger
Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:42 pm
#31
I don't see how a SL grouping with his/her droid and doing a BH mission is an issue. Squad Leader has crap for offensive abilities besides these buffs (which has negative effects also) so why shouldn't they use them?!?! It's theirs anyways!
As for grouping with BH's for thier hunt, I'm pretty sure that there are negative modifiers that come with these buffs, so having 7 of them would apply a huge debuff to one of thier abilities. I think its a fair trade.
Leave the SL's alone. I'm not one of them, but I'm fighting for them.
stonecoldtool
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:25 am
#32
Ok reading your post you assumed everything you stated. You have not seen the skill boxes as of yet for SL so you dont know anything about it, neitehr do I. Im only stating a concern of a possible exploit is all. Im not picking on SL at all, you didnt read the original post it seems. Im saying that when there isthe remote chance of an exploit, BH will find it and some will use it. You should read the tc notes on changes to SL. Im not saying its the end all be all uber combat prof, but a SL grpd with say, MBH MCM who can debuff and then add armor bypassing SL buffs, more acc, more speedthensay bye bye to jedi. Now is this paranoia I speak of a for sure thing? No. But one thing yuo cant argue is the inability for soe to be able to 100% test something before release.
Eleutherios
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:27 am
#33
Omanik wrote:
lol, well to the bhs out there.. good luck finding a squad leader when it first comes out..
I was crunching the numbers and MBH/MCM/0400SL will be a powerful template.
BadChef
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:08 am
#34
You need not look past the SL forum itself to hear these concerns in full.
captiansarcasmo
Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:46 am
#35
agreed, you guys needn't be concerned about it being exploited per say in the the bh jedi war.
unfortunately to you it will be just another buff to go get like doctor buffs are now. these buffs are currently 30 minutes and stick when you leave the group but you'll have to find a group with multiple squadleaders to get more than one. you can also stack all those 10 minute individual buffs this way too
the perfect recipie for the afk buff bot 
our patch was so good... i hope they fix those problems before it goes live, but going with tradition i won't hold my breath.
the perfect recipie for the afk buff bot our patch was so good... i hope they fix those problems before it goes live, but going with tradition i won't hold my breath. go check out the patch notes, go talk to a sl, only the buffs will apply, the current volley fire, or what will be called paintshot after this publish is not useable unless you the bh are a squad leader.
please don't get us nerfed.
with these new skills i will be following the devs designs on this one and hiring myself out as master jedi sidekick 300k an hour lol
SikrouDeco
Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 am
#36
Of course they will use every exploit they can find. SWG needs to change the game name..
"Star Wars Galaxies : Revenge of the Fett"
"Star Wars Galaxies : Revenge of the Fett"
Message Edited by SikrouDeco on 09-09-2005 10:31 AM
punisherm
Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:54 am
#37
Has anyone tested to see if the SL bonus works if you and the SL are on diff planets?
If so can you say SL alt sitting in the guild hall. LOL
captiansarcasmo
Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:09 am
#38
yup been tested although considered a bug, all group abilities are spammable from the planet & house of your choice. all of this can be found in the tc bug thread...
bleek13
Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:48 am
#39
I have had a master squadleader/0004doc/0404cm for some time now. i have gone with jedi grinding groups to help...
to answer your question, NO, no benefits (buffs at least) are given to the bh or jedi during the fight. I tried many times to cast rally or group equilibrium but it wont work.
as far as passiv bonuses like terrain neg and defences i dont know. although having me in the group gave everyone 50+ terrain neg
my guild grind groups loved me pre patch 24, i cant wait.
But this all could change when the publish comes out.
to answer your question, NO, no benefits (buffs at least) are given to the bh or jedi during the fight. I tried many times to cast rally or group equilibrium but it wont work.
as far as passiv bonuses like terrain neg and defences i dont know. although having me in the group gave everyone 50+ terrain neg
my guild grind groups loved me pre patch 24, i cant wait.But this all could change when the publish comes out.