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Legelos

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:09 pm

Yes your right about the TKA and the composite armor. However jedi have more than saber specials. I could arrange a private duel possibly to one of you ELITE TKM that thinks this way so you could be educated. I am also a master TKA and yes i have very nice armor. It is very easy to take a Jedi that is around padawan status or less but you will find that someone that is 4,4,4,4 Guardian is extremely hard to kill as it is suppose to be. A quote from one of the devs post was. " A master jedi should be able to take out 20+ master professions without breaking a sweat"

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bountyhunter133

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:11 pm

#28

yawn.. ok tkm gets melee mitigration 3 plus defence.. and with buffs can spamunarmed 3till he gets tired and decides to log.. jedi dosent get any mitigration and can only do spaecials till his force power is gone... ill lookfor the post comparing saber damage agains mitigration and armor.. its rather sad.

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Legelos

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:24 pm

#29

THUS not all kinetic damage. If you think you can take one solo with a TKA your either a huge exploiter or just dont know much about Jedi.

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SWG = Sony's Worst Game . Its all in the name so why is everyone suprised?

Quit Nerfing the game and NERF THE DAMN PPL MAKING IT! <--(destroying)

Sifer2

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:26 pm

#30

Actually Lightsabers do virtually no damage to the TKM unless itsa special. Which means unless the Guardian has a Multimillion credit All Pearl Lightsaber he wont be able to spam. An when he does spam it takes alot of hits. TKM's on the otherhand seem to hit for a ton of damage even through armor. I dont understand it myself. I think its one of the bonus's against other profession things they have or something. Especially if they knock you down the damage goes through the roof.

But they do much more damage per hit than a Lightsaber user. Maybe...just maybe if the Guardian was alone with the TKM. Got lucky enough to keep him down with a KD/Dizzy an got in alot of free hits he could take him. But in all honesty. The Jedi would really need to be very good at keeping the TKM unable to fight since he does so little damage per hit. That Melee defense, Mitigation, and Unarmed Toughness makes a HUGE difference. If you dont believe me duel one yourself.

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Imperial Inquisition Ace Pilot

Jedi Padawan

bountyhunter133

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:29 pm

#31

yes i do.. and i can tell u do not

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troyalgood

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:49 pm

#32

30 imperials raided our headquarters once. we knew ahead of time and called in some allies. ended up with about 50 rebels ambushing the imperials who happen to bring a dark jedi along with them. im not sure on the total tally but the jedi avoided poison and disease ticks without breaking a sweat, despite atleast8 rifleman pounding him with jawa ion rifle and t21's. anyone who pvps knows combat medics and rifleman are the best for overall pvp. everyone on teamspeak yelling "get the jedi get the jedi!" so i can assure you he was definately getting thebrunt of the attack. anyways, i watched asthe jedi was taking out melee classes right and left, and pretty much everyone he came close to. every other imperial died, and yet he was still able to retreat. i asked one of the imperials what level he was, the imp told me he was half way to master. im guessing that means 4-2-2-2 gaurdian or whatever. also said he can heal everything and thats why poison wasnt doing jack. im sure he also had a doc specifically for him but, anyways he went on to tell me that a couple days before, the dark jedi and a few friends took out a 20+ base raiding party and the jedi killed almost all of them.

theres been a few times when ive witnessed a fellow guildies jedi, who isnt even a padawan yet, take outelitesfairly quickly. for example master bounty hunters, rifleman/tka, and so on. so although i have never seen a single jedi own 20 elite professions, i would think the portential is definately there.

btw, the rebels that defended are by no means new to pvp, ANY other profession with even the best possible armor could not withstand a fraction of what we dished out to this guy. i think the jedi died on the second attempt but how on earth he survived that first assualt i dont know. i thought dark jedi on our server was a rumor till i seen that, and i must say i am very impressed. also, there are many people on our server who are so good that they can take multiple elites out in theed. buffs, armor, food, and drugs can make a person damn near invincable.

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Fetei

Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:10 pm

#33

Legelos wrote:
Do you realize how much force power he has at that level? Heh its not going to be an issue for him.

And again the specials that jedi can do are not all saber moves.

and do you realise that it takes a 4-4-4-4 guardian 20 to 30 minutes to regenerate his entire forceBar, and that the forcebar is only (4900 Dark jedi/5400 for a master)(4100Light Jedi/4600 for a master) which can be spammed empty in 1 battle if the opponent is buffed and armored?

what...? you didn't know? well then don't make false claims

and the non-saber specials are insanely costy and suck offensively

Dark Jedi Guardian 4444@ chimaera

Doc_Chopper

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:03 pm

#34

Reading this post brought an imaginary scene to my mind....

ImpSgt. - "Sir I just got a report a Jedi Guardian is attacking Theed!"

ImpLt. - "Can we get a party of twenty elites together to counter attack?"

ImpSgt. - "No sir, only 8 or 9 at best."

ImpLt. - "Forget it Sergeant, those guys in Theed are dead. Prepare to evacuate the post. We're the next logical target."

Before jumping to any conclusions I do think elite Jedi should be powerful, but how powerful is powerful in the realities of our online worlds?

I play late at night, (by necessity), daily, probably 4 hours a day and I've never seen a party of 20 before. Ever. The biggest group I've ever run with is 7 (not counting pets), and that was on a Saturday afternoon. Now I will admit I avoid the most populous city (Coronet) during my normal hours for lag considerations, but from what I see of the rest of the galaxy, it would only take maybe 3 Jedi Guardians to completely dominate the entire galaxy, (assuming this presentation and dev comment about the "20 without a sweat" intention are correct). They would easily, at the least, terrorize it. You simply could never get a party together large enough to challenge them.

That's the ultimate measure to me of power. How does the single character stand up to an organized groupof players rather than little bits here and there of singles and pairs in a row? How big should that party have to be and how likely is there to ever be a party of that size on the server at any given time to take on one guy?

If some one told me a party of 20 would be needed, two hours before the server is going down to take on one Jedi Guardian, I'd say, you got to be kidding. What are the Imps supposed to do at that time if they can't get the numbers together? Huddle together and await the next attack of a Jedi Guardian and pray they can keep enough of them around after they keep falling like blades of grass to the mower? Simply run and hide?

Now as cool as I think it would be to be the guy who gets to devastate an entire city single handedly and thereby prove my specialness, I have a hard time seeing this as a good balance in the game, even conceptually. With Jedi populations continuing to go up and the emergence of even more Jedi Guardian level toons a reality, I can actually concieve of a time on the server where the non-FS, faction aligned toons actually run and hide from the Jedi rather than the other way around as the story describes, (again assuming this presentation of Jedi power is true).

I really think some folks are not thinking about the numbers of players they actually see in game off peak hours or weekends, (which is majority of the time) and outside of the generally one or two biggest cities in the galaxy when throwing around how many elites should fall, "without breaking a sweat" before an elite Jedi. Maybe I'm just not counting it right, but I really just don't see these huge clusters of players in more than two or three places across the entire game.

Though a prized possession, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I for one hope that eventually there is a balance that can be reached where it would be fun to have a mix of Jedi of varying levels and non-FS masters that could be pitched in a battle and have ALL the characters feel they could contribute effectively, even if not necessarily equally. An imbalance in either direction only marginalizes the weaker side and who wants to pay to play marginalized characters?

So elite Jedi powerful, yeah I'm all for it, but please, with some reason.

Sifer2

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:45 pm

#35

Well as the Devs always said. The counter to a Jedi isnt supposed to be a few Elite Masters. Its supposed to be Dark Jedi. The two are supposed to balance each other out. Gota high level Jedi causing problems? Call one of your own. That's the way they designed it.

Of course right now none of that matters because Jedi are far from as strong as people make them out to be. I swear some of these stories are funny. Here let me make one up while were at it:

Last Sunday me an my guild were raiding this Rebel town on Tattooine. Were all leet uber playa's with the best guns an armor. At least we thought we were. Then out of no where this Jedi Master just devasted us? We hit him withlike a million poisons an EVERYONE was shooting at him. We threw everything we had at him. And get THIS! He was AFK!!!! This **edit** was fixing himself a damn sandwhich while we were trying to kill him! After about 5 minutes of our TKA's trying to knock him down with no succes, our poisons not sticking, an our Rifleman getting thier shots deflected he came back. He said "LOL sry guys I had to get lunch lmao!" then he just used one attack some lightning **edit**an KILLED US ALL. I was like OMG! An my friends were all OMG! An the Jedi was like ROFL! Jedi are definately not underpowered because this guy was uber. An if your ever on our server try to kill him an you will see too!

-Sifer Two-
Master Pistoleer/Teras Kasi Artist/Smuggler
Imperial Inquisition Ace Pilot

Jedi Padawan

SimianHunter

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:03 pm

#36

antares_Kauri wrote:
SimianSavior wrote:
If what he was saying were even remotely plausible then I doubt he'd get flamed. However, those who have actually played the class know he's full of sh^t and we're sick of people like him trying to keep the devs from fixing the profession by posting BS.

Of course he wasn't alone, there were several rebels with him last night. But there are high level Jedi that do quite well. Ask around on Kauri and everyone will tell you that, for one, 'tyrell the guardian does very well and is quite feared. He has been seen many times taking on and defeating multiple attackers.

Saying that once you get to Guardian you can do well isn't a billboard for the devs to stop fixing anything, and I'm sure he didn't mean anything by that. It's a statement of truth. These Guardians are very powerful. Maybe not as powerful as originally promised, but lots of things have changed. I have seen many other statements by Guardians talking about how they get by very nicely and are powerful. I'm not making things up or assuming, I'm going off what otehr guardians have stated and what I've seen myself and heard from friends. Until you get there, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to immediately shoot down claims of good power?

(maybe saying "Jedi are uber" is a little incendiary, but definitely "quite powerful" is appropriate)

antares
master pikeman
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 03-25-2004 11:30 AM

I think what he meant was that 10 may be plausible, but 30 is impossible. He made out his post like the Jedi soloed 30 players at once clearing out an entire town by himself. There was someone who said that Jedi Guardians could take 50 people not too long ago, this guy is about on par with that guy in terms of unbelievability. The most I've actually seen a Guardian kill was 7 and that guy came out of it barely alive. I've done a bit of PvPing with my Guardian and I've yet to be able to take out more than 3 at a time and none of the people I was fighting had kd/dizzy. I admit I'm not 4 4 4 4, but I'm about half way through the tree.

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ServerDown

Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:13 pm

#37

Was the Jedi's name Bill Brasky?

LOL

Darn, I thought I freed up that brain cell. Sweet, another one I can free upto do my taxes...

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Unit_

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:25 pm

#38

I love a good lie.

AtPlay

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:45 pm

#39

Sifer2 wrote:
>Last Sunday me an my guild were raiding this Rebel town on Tattooine. Were all leet uber playa's with the best guns an armor. At least we thought we were. Then out of no where this Jedi Master just devasted us? We hit him with like a million poisons an EVERYONE was shooting at him. We threw everything we had at him. And get THIS! He was AFK!!!! This **edit** was fixing himself a damn sandwhich while we were trying to kill him! After about 5 minutes of our TKA's trying to knock him down with no succes, our poisons not sticking, an our Rifleman getting thier shots deflected he came back. He said "LOL sry guys I had to get lunch lmao!" then he just used one attack some lightning **edit** an KILLED US ALL. I was like OMG! An my friends were all OMG! An the Jedi was like ROFL! Jedi are definately not underpowered because this guy was uber. An if your ever on our server try to kill him an you will see too!

TO BILL BRASKY!!!

You know, Bill Brasky once sent me to the Spice Mines...I spent 10 years of my life escaping from that place. When I got home I found he had sired 3 of the most beauitiful children I had ever seen with my wife.

TO BILL BRASKY!!!

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