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Thread: How strongly would you shun a NO mastery template?

hamhamthe3rd
Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:34 pm
#14

my favorite template to play was all five disciplines, 0404 saber, 4004 enhancer, 4100 healer, 0400 powers and 0040 defender. something along those lines.
knite16
Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:17 pm
#15






Physkoris wrote:
Without MLS I just don't see how you can stand a chance solo, in pvp or pve. If you're always going to be fighting with friends maybe.






Well, my thought on this was with improved force speed, I can make up for not having MLS. Speed tapes will help once fixed. My saber is 637 max with 14 FC, so My damage will be decent. Sap will be there for support to give me an upper hand, and with 0444 saber, I'll have armor break, poewr hit, leg hit and head hit as my main arsenol. I've been talked out of a few different templates before this and basicly I am trying to make sure this will work. I have not seen a temp like this before and I want to be effective, but different.


and Celerity 4 I was thinking the improved Root would be nice. The only other thing I would do with those 2 points is put them into accuracy or speed in the Combat FS tree. But thats sacrificing another 175 max force. Is toggling FR 2 a huge pain?


The only down side I see to this, besides 25 less innate speed and accuracy, is the Max force. Keep the opinions comming!



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EstoMax
Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:16 am
#16



MLS / E 3404 / H 4000 / D 0042



Master Lightsaber
+12 General Melee Speed "Force Sensitive"
+8Gen Melee Speed “Shoes”
+10 2H LS Speed “Gloves”

Two Handed Saber
Speed 1.98
Modified Speed 1.10
ElementalType HEAT
Elemental Damage 223
Damage 630-745
Wound 54%
Esimated DPS 451.05
Modified DPS 829.59
Range 0-5
Special Move Cost 100
Force Cost 18



Alittle easier to read now =p



I love it...

Message Edited by EstoMax on 11-01-2005 01:18 AM



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Asria
Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:00 pm
#17


I have no master in my Template and it works fairly well for PVE and PVP



LS 0404


Enhancer 4404


Healer 4040


Defender 4240


my saber is "mid level"


Bane's Heart


555-652 Damage


FC = 33


element Damage = 195


speed = 1.7


modded DPS = 469


( I know I need to craft a better saber )


I also threw some speed tapes just to test emout... and have maxed ones waiting for when/if they get fixed


all in allI don't do to badI win and lose equally against both BH and Jedi..so no complaints here.



knite16
Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:12 pm
#18

Any other comments on this template?




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zual
Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:22 pm
#19






Drodig wrote:





knite16 wrote:

Heres what I came up with while playing around tonight...


0444 Lightsaber- saber block and a variety of decent hitting moves. Speed and acc can be replaced with tapes.

4044 Defender- Melee Def, Aura, 22 innate armor, improved valor to make up for the lack of ranged D.

4002 Enhancer- Improved Root, Improved speed to help non-MLS, channel, run 2

4040 Healer- Improved Sap to further help the lack of MLS, 1500 heal + Infusion.


All in all it seems pretty strong to me. 5725 max force is quite a hit from 2 masteries @ 6850, but with only 1 mastery you're only looking at about 6k anyway. Decent defense, and Aura to boost that up. If a ranged attacker starts getting the best of you, theres always improved valor.


So, unless I am not in the right mindset, is this a considerable template?


Please post your comments/suggestions. I plan on being active in both PvP and PvE, niether being dominant.


Ciao,





If you want def you could pick up 0400 ehancer, drop 4004 def and then master light saber. Still keeps you in good shape and allows for more force.





i like that template, better. Drop xx4x defender and go x4xx enh. to get master sabers.
MasterSheep
Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:11 am
#20

i have a no mastery template (x4x4 sabers 414x healer 44x3 enh xx4x def and x4xx powers) and i do just fine - force snt really an issue most of the time...


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Movsli
Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:48 am
#21

Seniphs'temp is 0434ls 4004enh 4040 def 4100 heal 0400 powers.714 max dmg pre cu saber. Very fun template great for pvp, but lacking inspeed and accuracy. Definately wouldnt try this with a post cu saber with "good" pearls.
knite16
Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:18 am
#22






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SkeeSkee
Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:28 am
#23

my template is MLS, 4044 defender, 4000 healer, 3002 enhancer and i love it!!! Ultimate BH killing template and awesome for PvE and very good in PvP. So say to drop the xxx4 branch of defender for force armor but i love valor to much and it's a highly underated skill. Besides I don't PvP all that much and valor is an extreme life saver in certain PvE situations and drives BH's crazy




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Kivrin
Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:39 am
#24

FR1 is arguably better than FR2 sicne you can leave it on all the time wihtout the damage penalty. With a KD and a root you can still run away relatively easy with FR1.

It's not a bad template, but IMHO it seems like you're spreading it a little thin. What do you hope to do with your template? Your template with Valor, SAP, and FR2 seems very situational.

Unless you're really tied to SAP you may think about dropping it for mdef. If you are, maybe tossing Valor for FA2, since it may be used more frequently.

Good luck.



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ReinerdOne
Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:38 am
#25

I'm similar to that temp except with 1 mastery


LS 0444

Master defender

healer 4000

enhancer 3002


i wouldnt go for the 4th box in enhancer for forcespeed2.... because of the dmg reduction, you can keep force speed 1 on 24/7 no worries with just 3xxx plus the speed bonus, and you still get force supression only it doesnt last as long


but with xxx2 enhancer you get force wave i believe, which is a snare.... i tend to alternate the 2

Force armor BLOWS, the amount of force you lose from it pretty much decreases your duration of surviving to 1/2 or 1/3. No force= a dead jedi


I also found MLS was not necessary, i tried 0404 but with the zipbar on power attack, i was doing less dmg than a headhit/powerattack combo than headhit/leghit. also you get +15 to accuracy above 0404.... plus tapes and crispic , a decent 253 accuracy.


why do 4044 defender without mastering? if i was doing defender, i'd master it for Avoid Incap, or just take 0040 for force aura, because innate armor can be broken by most any npc, and every player with it uses it right off. defender's innate defenses don't work, ranged defense isnt factored in when you carry a melee weapon (saber). valor is nice for the added saberblock, but i don't consider it totally necessary.


i had sap... it's great for those bounty hunters that use almost no mind to heal, but lately i havent had a bounty hunter after me for 3 weeks, except for a friend who i told to come after me because i was a bored, In pvp especially with other jedi, doesnt make a world of difference really. you'd benefit more from the extra skills in the lightsaber trees



Finally, without mastering atleast 1 of the professions, you're going to have a very low force pool, and lower regen.... and channeling is a must for anyone without a double mastery





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Craile
Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:51 am
#26

I had considered a no mastery, but the force pool issue bothered me too much......




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