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Thread: Base Stat Sabers?

wildcard1973
Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:34 pm
#14




Baciacca wrote:

Even with a FC 48 there is a possibility that your over all result could be FC 9 with four -9 crystal/pearls.


Can anyone confirm that FC 47 and 46 is or is not possible now? Ive had people tell me that they hit FC 47.




you can possibly get to 47 FC but it requires near perfect resources, and a critical succes with one of the village tools



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icarus7
Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:04 pm
#15

im on chilastra and i used the best resorces avalible, but i dont have the 2 extra exp points


fc=48, speed=3.41, mod speed=2, dmg=148-247, wound=35.12, dps=75.67, mod dps=129.13, sac =97.


with pearls and crystals i have a fc of 11(10 if i put in my other -9 but the dmg is 55:smileysad


anyways, u asked, so i typed, plus i wanted to know also





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Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:06 pm
#16
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Panther5150
Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:14 am
#17

2 things.


One, this is post cu crafting.


Two, No mistake on FC 10. Other than that is not the base stat obviously. The base stat is 48 with 98% exp in efficiency. Maybe with perfect resources you could get 47 BUT i really, really, really do not think so.
wildcard1973
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:24 am
#18




Pwnager wrote:

ehm whats this about the village tools?




anyway my saber is 97% on eff, 97 sac and 48 fc





It's a crafting reward, guarentees a set number of critical successes possible by the tool. For the person that was questioning the math on getting a 48 FC saber to 10 FC with 4 -9 pearls, it comes into effect with hidden decimal points. theory is that max FC on a pearl/crystal is -9.9 for a perfect tune.




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Pwnager
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:41 am
#19




wildcard1973 wrote:




Pwnager wrote:

ehm whats this about the village tools?




anyway my saber is 97% on eff, 97 sac and 48 fc





It's a crafting reward, guarentees a set number of critical successes possible by the tool. For the person that was questioning the math on getting a 48 FC saber to 10 FC with 4 -9 pearls, it comes into effect with hidden decimal points. theory is that max FC on a pearl/crystal is -9.9 for a perfect tune.






i knew that on the tunes....



was just wondering about that tool from the village





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QuiBonJen
Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:55 am
#20




wildcard1973 wrote:




Pwnager wrote:

ehm whats this about the village tools?




anyway my saber is 97% on eff, 97 sac and 48 fc





It's a crafting reward, guarentees a set number of critical successes possible by the tool. For the person that was questioning the math on getting a 48 FC saber to 10 FC with 4 -9 pearls, it comes into effect with hidden decimal points. theory is that max FC on a pearl/crystal is -9.9 for a perfect tune.





just to let you guys know that the saber craftingtool from the village, Does not give Critical Successes..
it only gives Amazing Successes.. it irritated me cause that is what I was told, that it would give Critical Successes .. and it was one of the reasons I went and got it.. it is very hard to keep up with the people that are trying to get a tool also.. so be ready when you go to get it.. not every one will geta tool.. I crafted 360 items out there.. and still only got a 5 use tool.. the 20 usewas the one I was trying for..



NHGLethos
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:06 am
#21

You didn't miss out on much, i got the 20 use tool, and it only gained me a +1 in max damage over what i'd acheived before with a 12pt suit. Bit of a disapointment to be honest, but i do have CM-experimenation which helps get more amazing normally...I am using all the best resources wanderhome has ever had...


All it does it give all amazing sucess's but even with that you can't do any better than 9 amazing to max out a line, so i could only acheive 2% better in dmg experimentation


With special tool - 51% dmg, 98% eff (150-250 dmg, 3.41 spd, 95SAC, 48FC)


without special tool - 49% dmg, 98% eff (150-249 dmg, 3.41 spd, 95SAC, 48FC)


Pre-cu Saber - 97% in FC, 36% (i think) in spd/dmg ( 156-252 dmg, 3.21 spd, 100SAC, 48FC)



Even with the special tool and 12pts, I'll still usually use my pre-cu saber... for the higher min damage. Kinda sad, afterall that effort... I usually only switch sabers if i'm low on action food, or no access to doctor buffs (rare).







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sememon
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:06 am
#22

base stats on mine are as follows:


Base Speed: 3.18. Damage: 146-254. FC: 48. Sac: 100


From my testing with post cu crafting FC47 hasn't been achieved. With perfect resources and 100% results My guess is that you would still only get 48.0 not 47.


Due to the hidden stats on pearls and sabers the best FC possible would be:


48.0 - (4x9.9) = 8.4 which would apear as FC:8 on your saber. I've seen a few people with FC:8 sabers but its not that common





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vnicula
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:07 am
#23
my best post CU crafted saber is 48fc/97sac/254max dam.
I couldn't hit 47fc. 



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HardwiredXMan
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:57 am
#24





Panther5150 wrote:

I am curious as to the base stats folks are able to get on their sabers. What are you getting and how are you allocating points?


Here is what I did, and what I have:



I wanted to craft the best possible saber with efficiency being my primary goal.


This saber was crafted using the best resources on Bria: Laiwhe Culsion Gas, Eweodehi Polysteel Copper (OQ990 CD1000),Apirrhoa Polymer (OQ992, SR 491, UT 805), Obiate Duralloy Steel (OQ981 CD605), Ovonamoian Titaniam Aluminum (OQ982 CD394)


I ama MLS, i had +20 in LS exp tapes,I was in a research city, used a +15 crafting tool, a +43.5 crafting station, bespin port, pyrollian cake, entertainer buff.


All sabers were crafted to 98% efficiency first which resulted in FC of 48 and SAC of 95. The lowest experimentation points used to get this was 9. The other 3 went into damage. Here is the saber WITHOUT any crystals peals:


FC 10, Attack speed 3.41, mod speed 2.01, dam 149-249, wound 36.73, Base DPS 76.48, mod dps 129.93, SAC 95.


Just curious to see what others are making, which server, stats, exp distribution, etc. Base stats only please.





Ok, now this is a clear example of why I have been saying that saber crafting is just simply screwed up. Obviously the devs didn't even put any thought into the saber crafting or else what i'm about to post should never be possible.


Now you posted that your MLS with 12 exp. points and using all the best resources and crafting processes. When i look at your saber, all that is different from my base stats is that you get lower FC and SAC.


I only have 0404 sabers (7 exp. points) and that's the only reason I don't get the low FC and SAC.


The resources used are:


CD OQ SR UT
401 970 313 398 Sikoopisis Titanium Aluminum
980 961 780 771 Oacaov Polysteel Copper
N/A 999 387 280 Agisaeide Polymer
N/A 998 N/A N/A LLedi Culsion Inert Gas
637 964 980 981 Mivioam Duralloy Steel


14.97 crafting tools
44.496136 Crafting Station
+15 Pyollian Cake (Assembly food)
Inspiration Buffs
NO RESEARCH CITY
NO FORCE SENSITIVE CRAFTING
NO VILLAGE SABER CRAFTING TOOLS


My base sabers come out like this with only 7 exp. points....


FC: 51 (sometimes 50 if I get an amazing assembly)

AS: 3.37

Dam: 149 - 250

Wound: 37.03

SAC: 100


And when I use a +25 LS Exp. Suit and get 10 exp. points, I get the following....


FC: 49
AS: 3.37
Dam: 153 - 255

Wound: 40.39
SAC: 100*


I only go to 100 SAC because I don't have any problems with Action regen due to the foods I use. In PVE, I don't use foods, I just kneel because it makes your action and mind regen faster (no need to run around in pve..)


this next saber is one of many that I crafted to experiement and see how high I could keep SAC without any issues with action. Needless to say, I had to really live by saber hit with this saber...LOL

FC: 52

AS: 3.41

Dam:155 -259

Wound:43.75

SAC: 115


I did get a few sabers damage in the high 260's (one was 269), but the SAC was too much....I hate SAC, it takes too many experimentation points.


As for pearls, The 4 I use are the following.


115 Dam, -.28 speed, -9 FC

85 Dam, -.27 speed, -9 FC

83 Dam, -.19 speed, -9 FC

65 Dam, -.27 speed, -9 FC


I have another pearl that tuned to 88 Dam, -.01 speed, -4 FC....LOL that speed and FC makes it a grinding pearl.



Anyway, as you can see, my 7 pointsabers seem to be close to yours and then my 10 point sabers aren't that much better. It's funny because as a weaponsmith, a weapon I craft without my extra exp. suit is vastly dilfferent than the weapons I craft with the suit own.


Then when I look at my 3rd gen sabers, they aren't too much lower in stats of my 4th gen. I think that saber crafting is way too limited and don't have a big enough difference between each gen (other than FC and a couple points of damage).


The devs should really think about allowing crystals to tune with SAC bonuses and accuracy bonuses....I mean they have the stat on them but they always tune to zero. They should also alter the refined crystal packs to allow us to experiment on them as well just like WS do with their components. This way, jedi can get different sabers and can focus on the area of our choosing. Currently we are forced to put at least 8 points into SAC while my weapon smith has so many components to experiment on that alters the weapon, that she can put all her points in damage on the final assembly because she experiemented all the components on SAC.


Then to top it off, normal weapons can get both speed and damage sliced and then can still have a power up put on it. Not to mention that all normal elite professions have slightly higher damage modifiers on their specials. Jedi don't even have a 3x damage mod, but I believe rifleman, swordsman do.

MajesticJester
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:16 am
#25
12pt used in saber


8 in efficiency

4 in damage


damage 151-253, wound 39.99%, speed 3.41, sac 97, force cost 48
Panther5150
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:12 pm
#26




MajesticJester wrote:

12pt used in saber


8 in efficiency

4 in damage


damage 151-253, wound 39.99%, speed 3.41, sac 97, force cost 48




FC 48, Attack speed 3.41, dam 149-249, wound 36.73, SAC 95 (9 in eff, 3 in dam)


This is the comparison that I was really curious about. Have you used both types of sabers? Have you found a preference with yours? Basically the diff is the 2 SAC and the +4 damage. I wondering if I should be doing it your way instead.


That being said, action has NEVER been a concern of mine. With 95 SAC I have no problems due to the timers gating my performance even using high end specials.


I find the posts here fascinating but that may be just b/c I am a little bit of a perfectionist when it comes to saber crafting.


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