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Thread: All the people who blame SOE for this change please read slowly.
that's the truth right there.
Sheridan_Darkstar wrote:
elcin wrote:
Sheridan_Darkstar wrote:
Sinara-Snake wrote:
I find that hard to believe you mean to say not one single dev didn't even have a hint at all about any changes at all to what may very well change the whole game completely?
QFE
The Devs are just that... Developers. Who wrote the code into the game, exactly? LA may own the rights, but the game is written and produced by SOE.
A little, "head's up" might have been nice.
SOE shaped and shaping the game on its own.UNTIL Lucas tell em what to do.Once Lucas says do this and do that.They just do....nothing else.Lucasarts has more influence on the game than u ever know.I repeat once again Lucas is behind this change.DEVs of course knew this MAYBE will come to live sometime since they coded it...but it would be simply stupid to tell the community may they gonna change the whole system again before getting lucas' order to implement it.
And devs stayed silent all this time about frs pearl fixes bla bla bla....because they WERE UNCERTAIN.They did their best to not mislead us.You can be very angry at this moment.I was too...But not to SOE anymore.Blame someone else changing an RPG game into a console game...which will be released on famous console platforms as well....
I'm guessing Playstation 360. BUT, like I said... A little "head's up" might have been nice.
elcin wrote:
You think SOE is behind all of this?
You are wrong.
Did you know that even DEVs dont knowwhats gonna change in the game on some schedule...
Do you know who takes those big change decisions?
Answer is LUCASARTS.
Did you know that this CU2 code started being written since patch 17?And code is already done?
Did you know that this upcoming oneis the ACTUAL CU concept made by Lucasarts.And the CU we are playing was SOE's keep the players busy for some project.
Please THINK before flaming anyone Tiggs,Thunderheart,Baciacca,Blixtev,CSRs....
It's not their fault REALLY.
They re just given with some certain things to do with certain timings by LucasArts.
They REALLY REALLY didnt know what was coming till Lucas said them do this and do that.
Please consider what i am saying and DO NOT quit until u at least try the new system.Just try it.May u like it.
Best Regards.
do you have a secret LUCASARTS password? how could you know this and not the DEVS?
Try it lol.
Bollocks to that.
Ill enjoy hitting the cancel button AFTER they think I am going with this NEW GAME for IQ challenged players. It will hurt them more than hitting it now.
I wonder what demographic focus group they used cos it wernt SWG players - more like WOW/DIABLO/PARK WHINOS/OLD PEOPLES HOME INMATES/MONGOLIAN GOAT HERDERS/SOME BLOKES FROM DOWN THE PUB.
If SOE-LUCASFARTS were based in the UK they would be prosecuted under the Trade Descriptions Act for how they have acted over the MUSTHAVA FEW MORE DOLLARS expan and what theye done now. And the launchpad crap you agree to when you sign in would not help em either.
SOE SALESMAN - Buy this cracking fridge for 49.99
CUSTOMER - Oh thats grand - ill take it.
2 days later........
CUSTOMER TO SOE CONMAN SALESMAN - My order arrived but its a cardboard box with somealphabet wooden blocks, a electric fan, a mumified cat and some books on 'How to learn basic Swahili in 2 days'.
SOE CONMAN SALESMAN - Come now youve not even tried it out yet for food presrvation - come back in a month and then decide, oh and while your here want a copy of 'Great historical facts of the Cha-ching banking system of the 4th Century' ? It makes a great hat.
elcin wrote:
Sheridan_Darkstar wrote:
Sinara-Snake wrote:
I find that hard to believe you mean to say not one single dev didn't even have a hint at all about any changes at all to what may very well change the whole game completely?
QFE
The Devs are just that... Developers. Who wrote the code into the game, exactly? LA may own the rights, but the game is written and produced by SOE.
A little, "head's up" might have been nice.
SOE shaped and shaping the game on its own.UNTIL Lucas tell em what to do.Once Lucas says do this and do that.They just do....nothing else.Lucasarts has more influence on the game than u ever know.I repeat once again Lucas is behind this change.DEVs of course knew this MAYBE will come to live sometime since they coded it...but it would be simply stupid to tell the community may they gonna change the whole system again before getting lucas' order to implement it.
And devs stayed silent all this time about frs pearl fixes bla bla bla....because they WERE UNCERTAIN.They did their best to not mislead us.You can be very angry at this moment.I was too...But not to SOE anymore.Blame someone else changing an RPG game into a console game...which will be released on famous console platforms as well....
elcin wrote:
You think SOE is behind all of this?
You are wrong.
Did you know that even DEVs dont knowwhats gonna change in the game on some schedule...
Do you know who takes those big change decisions?
Answer is LUCASARTS.
Did you know that this CU2 code started being written since patch 17?And code is already done?
Did you know that this upcoming oneis the ACTUAL CU concept made by Lucasarts.And the CU we are playing was SOE's keep the players busy for some project.
Please THINK before flaming anyone Tiggs,Thunderheart,Baciacca,Blixtev,CSRs....
It's not their fault REALLY.
They re just given with some certain things to do with certain timings by LucasArts.
They REALLY REALLY didnt know what was coming till Lucas said them do this and do that.
Please consider what i am saying and DO NOT quit until u at least try the new system.Just try it.May u like it.
Best Regards.
Tbh m8 unless you want to post your exact qualifications and sources for your statements then just shut up.
It doesn't really matter if people within areas of SOE knew about these upcoming changes or not it makes no odds... if they did then shame on them for wasting the money we subscribe into developing and pushing out content, professions and game systems that they ultimately knew would be useless within a few weeks most notably CH and SL as just a part example.
If they didn't know then you really have to wonder if SOE and LA actually know the difference between there arse and there elbow... And if this is truly the case then they should stop thinking about restructuring the game and first think about restructuring there internal affairs if they have a complete lack of direction internally (if they know what code they will be pushing in the future or not) then ultimately that lack of direction is going to translate into the game we play making it the bug laden and in parts broken game we have been playing recently.
So as I say either way if they were all aware of the future path of the game or not has no bearing now...
I'm not going to state that I pay a monthly amount to SOE so I should have a say in which direction and in what style they operate the game, I pay them that money as they are supposed to be experts in that and provide me with an entertainment service... from my observation the last few months they are really struggling to do this.I agree with many people who say they feel that the have been lied to and cheated into purchasing expansions for the game under false advertising and I feel SOE should think hard about this fact.
In my opinion they are doing a very poor job of game production and an absolutely terrible job of community relations and some of people you note in your post SHOULD be held accountable for this as that is there job.
The letter from Julio Torres if you ask me was very weak contained nothing but poorly rounded generalizations they should have spent far more time putting together a more detailed FAQ that noted what the changes meant in more detail.I am unsure who they surveyed and received feedback from in the community that has influenced there decisions with this (as stated in the letter) but I know I would have happily completed a survey for them if I had been asked tbh they could have run a survey in game so every player could have a say if they wished.If this change it to be implemented within the next few weeks then in my opinion they must have been developing this for months as by all accounts a change of this size would require a huge amount of development.
Sony is a Japanese company you can only imagine the embarrassment when one of there flagship games failed in Japan!!
Obviously what I have noted is my opinion but Elcin please don't post crappy statements like you did... you are not a spokesperson for SOE.
Sav
Whatever you say.You can call it all bs and such.I dont care even.But what i say in my post is %100 true and i am behind that.
SavageBrian wrote:
elcin wrote:
You think SOE is behind all of this?
You are wrong.
Did you know that even DEVs dont knowwhats gonna change in the game on some schedule...
Do you know who takes those big change decisions?
Answer is LUCASARTS.
Did you know that this CU2 code started being written since patch 17?And code is already done?
Did you know that this upcoming oneis the ACTUAL CU concept made by Lucasarts.And the CU we are playing was SOE's keep the players busy for some project.
Please THINK before flaming anyone Tiggs,Thunderheart,Baciacca,Blixtev,CSRs....
It's not their fault REALLY.
They re just given with some certain things to do with certain timings by LucasArts.
They REALLY REALLY didnt know what was coming till Lucas said them do this and do that.
Please consider what i am saying and DO NOT quit until u at least try the new system.Just try it.May u like it.
Best Regards.
Tbh m8 unless you want to post your exact qualifications and sources for your statements then just shut up.
It doesn't really matter if people within areas of SOE knew about these upcoming changes or not it makes no odds... if they did then shame on them for wasting the money we subscribe into developing and pushing out content, professions and game systems that they ultimately knew would be useless within a few weeks most notably CH and SL as just a part example.
If they didn't know then you really have to wonder if SOE and LA actually know the difference between there arse and there elbow... And if this is truly the case then they should stop thinking about restructuring the game and first think about restructuring there internal affairs if they have a complete lack of direction internally (if they know what code they will be pushing in the future or not) then ultimately that lack of direction is going to translate into the game we play making it the bug laden and in parts broken game we have been playing recently.
So as I say either way if they were all aware of the future path of the game or not has no bearing now...
I'm not going to state that I pay a monthly amount to SOE so I should have a say in which direction and in what style they operate the game, I pay them that money as they are supposed to be experts in that and provide me with an entertainment service... from my observation the last few months they are really struggling to do this.I agree with many people who say they feel that the have been lied to and cheated into purchasing expansions for the game under false advertising and I feel SOE should think hard about this fact.
In my opinion they are doing a very poor job of game production and an absolutely terrible job of community relations and some of people you note in your post SHOULD be held accountable for this as that is there job.
The letter from Julio Torres if you ask me was very weak contained nothing but poorly rounded generalizations they should have spent far more time putting together a more detailed FAQ that noted what the changes meant in more detail.I am unsure who they surveyed and received feedback from in the community that has influenced there decisions with this (as stated in the letter) but I know I would have happily completed a survey for them if I had been asked tbh they could have run a survey in game so every player could have a say if they wished.If this change it to be implemented within the next few weeks then in my opinion they must have been developing this for months as by all accounts a change of this size would require a huge amount of development.
Sony is a Japanese company you can only imagine the embarrassment when one of there flagship games failed in Japan!!
Obviously what I have noted is my opinion but Elcin please don't post crappy statements like you did... you are not a spokesperson for SOE.
Sav
When it comes to Star Wars products the developes do what LuasArts wants them to do or the product does not get published. Sadly, this is why there will never be a decent Star Wars game because LucasArts does not allow the developers to make the game how the developers want it to be, it has to be done how LucasArts wants it done.
This doesn't affect me much really, because I had already cancelled my account before any of this was announced, and to be frank, I believe I did it at just the right time. My account goes off the same day this hits TC. This doesn't mean I won't stay tuned to the forums and hear what it's like once a fair amount of people have played and provided feedback on it. If I hear enough positive feedback I will more than likely resubscribe long enough just to see what it's like.
Perhaps this will make SWG a better game, but when I originally purchased SWG in July 2003 I bought it because I wanted to play a Star Wars MMORPG. This is not the game we will be playing after this revamp. We will now (or well the remaining subscribers, because I won't be playing) be playing an action based RPG similar to how Jade Empire is played.
elcin wrote:
You think SOE is behind all of this?
You are wrong.
Did you know that even DEVs dont knowwhats gonna change in the game on some schedule...
Do you know who takes those big change decisions?
Answer is LUCASARTS.
Did you know that this CU2 code started being written since patch 17?And code is already done?
Did you know that this upcoming oneis the ACTUAL CU concept made by Lucasarts.And the CU we are playing was SOE's keep the players busy for some project.
Please THINK before flaming anyone Tiggs,Thunderheart,Baciacca,Blixtev,CSRs....
It's not their fault REALLY.
They re just given with some certain things to do with certain timings by LucasArts.
They REALLY REALLY didnt know what was coming till Lucas said them do this and do that.
Please consider what i am saying and DO NOT quit until u at least try the new system.Just try it.May u like it.
Best Regards.
does kinda make sense about the keep us busy with cu thing