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Thread: Are Ranged Kinetic Weapons Bypassing Saber Block?
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WookieOgre
Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:37 am
#15
Sideburns wrote:
trifidac wrote:
I know a rifleman+MBH that has 330 accuracy and can swallow in another +210 denutrium-pyro (and perhaps +80 crispic if it stacks).
they dont stack and thats about what my acc is as well hits enhancers pretty well with my ld-1
and too the original person who started the thread i get blocked alot and normally on my first strike with a snipershot which really stinks.
it seems alot still gets blocked from my experience as a mbh.
Message Edited by Sideburns on 10-03-2005 09:43 AM
If you are rifleman don't forget about /aim before that initial attack with snipershot. +240 accuracy for 15 seconds is HUGE for an opening attack.
Bloodfin_Architect
Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:40 am
#16
Saereth Wrote
Been at it most of the day yesterday with a hyper rifle.. still getting blocked just as much as ever, Then on my jeedai later last night I was dervishing imp bases in a takedown group and blocking most of the attacks with mls.. -shrug- bad luck for you is all I can say.
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Don't mean to sound stupid Saereth, but what kind of damage does a hyper and ld-1 deal? I am still blocking energy weapons just fine, its Kinetic I'm trying to figure out. If those are Kinetic, have you noticed any difference since the last patch or two?
Saereth
Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:55 am
#17
Bloodfin_Architect wrote:
Saereth Wrote
Been at it most of the day yesterday with a hyper rifle.. still getting blocked just as much as ever, Then on my jeedai later last night I was dervishing imp bases in a takedown group and blocking most of the attacks with mls.. -shrug- bad luck for you is all I can say.
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Don't mean to sound stupid Saereth, but what kind of damage does a hyper and ld-1 deal? I am still blocking energy weapons just fine, its Kinetic I'm trying to figure out. If those are Kinetic, have you noticed any difference since the last patch or two?
Yeah the fallan hyper rifle is kinetic exact same stats as an LD-1 with a different apperance. I have no noticed any difference using the rifle against jedi
nor having it used against me on my jedi (Skylus is one of the bh's that regularly shoots me with his LD-1 
) Although it does bypass the psg
) Although it does bypass the psgand considering he's a good bh it hurts but no more than usual as of late.
Gorthu
Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:12 am
#18
try using VALORwith aura. You will be surprised at the difference in block and damage you take.
Message Edited by Gorthu on 10-03-2005 01:13 PM
AhrotahnNahvah
Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:57 am
#19
Armourboy wrote:
Don't know for sure, but I'm a MLS, had Ranged Defense food and Dodge food. BH was using an LD-1, 5 shots, all hit no blocks or dodges.
5 shots for 900+ = Dead Jedi
just thought i would let you know that because defense is messed up right now you should be using melee defense food if you are using a melee weapon =0
prolly part of the reason you had a hard time
Ruff1003
Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:37 pm
#20
The whole Thing is fu++ed up.
A friend was CM,BH,Pistols tried the Proton Rifle on a Jedi 700 Damage. So he said to his self "hm okay lets become carbinerr" now he has MasterCarbineer but doin only 400 Damager per Shot. Who can understand that??
Try a NymSlugthrower very bad DPS but u will recieve very good Damage Output cause it seem Jedi have no Armor against the kind of Elemental Damage the Nyms Slugthrower has.
Everythings Bugged and im fu**ed up
hamhamthe3rd
Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:58 pm
#21
fyi and not that it matters, cu pas ranged attack is energy based unless that was changed in a patch but i doubt it. turn on verbose to see.
lastly i believe you block first then defenses come into play. that is to say if you have a 50% block rate, then attackers have a 50% chance to miss you even before they make a roll to beat your defenses. drink all the drinks you want, having 100000 ranged/melee defense wont help the amount you block.
Gorthu
Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:08 am
#22
is it that the defense are messed up..or we not using them correctly? i really think the definitions given to us were borked and the defenses work as intended. if you are using a melee weapon, then your melee defense works to protect you against both melee & ranged attacks. Also, if you have VALOR, use it. it greatly helps you BLOCK incoming range attacks.
Bloodfin_Architect
Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:24 pm
#23
Gorthu said
try using VALORwith aura. You will be surprised at the difference in block and damage you take.
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I use valor and yes it does signicanlty increase blocks. I just didn't use it on this occassion. However, I still have +20 saber block even without it, so I should be blocking at least 20% of incoming ranged damage, not zero. I'm trying to get with some guildies to do some testing and I'll let everyone know the results. You have a valid point Gorthu, but valor alone doesn't explain the lack of blocking.
mero909
Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:42 pm
#24
here's my evaluation....
I'm a MDefender/MPowers w/ NO LS. (I'm such the brave soul)
Anyway, I throw Valor on and *poof* I'm blockin' about 70% of the shots coming through. So Valor works. Unknown about base saber block though.
So my post was useless. 
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