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Master Healer FTW!!!!

f you want Master Powers to have to find special "force power crystals" before they can use their abilities, and tie the damage to these crystals, and have them be random tuning stats and the crystals only rarely drop from high-level mobs, then I'll give you full support in making powers = saber.

But, until MPowers are spending 100m credits on their force lightning and have to ADK their hands, then I think Saber should have a definate advantage.
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Sounds great to me. Except you know that a LS user does not need to use pearls in order to use their specials right? The force cost is higher, the action cost is higher, and the damage is lower, but the saber can be used with no pearls in it. Kinda like what a Powers user has right now.

Give me the option of raising my damage, reducing my speed, SAC, and FC with loot, oh please please please.



Buku
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And MPowers doesn't need, nor deserve, the same power as LS, because Powers includes cloak, that is a method of running away and avoiding damage, Lightsaber doesn't. Lightsaber is a pure combat/damage tree.
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I have never seen a more egocentric group of people in a video game. Telling all the other combat professions what they do and do not deserve.

By your logic Sabers does not deserve "Saber Throw" because Sabers is a melee profession.

Oh I know, you need that so you don't get kited. Well sorry but that is why they gave Melee AB, it was your bonus for having limited range as a melee profession.

Keep my damage the same, never allow premiums to drop again, I keep cloak, and you keep Armor Break. What a deal, now we are both screwed.

BTW Sabers is not a "pure" combat/damage tree.



Buku
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Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:

bah, i had a nice reply but the stupid style tags prevent me from posting it and I dont feel like fixing it at this moment. Suffice to say, i never said powers shouldnt be viable, I said it shouldnt be equal. Saber is the nuker, Powers is not.

Message Edited by Xalya_Shadowalker on 09-01-2005 01:31 PM

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Actually Powers is the nuker, Saber is the tank.

Actually Powers is the nuker, Saber is the tank.
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Nuker is a term used to describe a ranged profession that has a high damage potential.

Since Improved Saber throw does more damage than Improved Lightning and can be performed while kiting maybe he is right after all.


Buku
Naritus

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Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:

Powers should not be a complete alternative for lightsabers for one reason:

It doesn't cost additional time or money to be a powers user.

If you're MLS, you spend time and money getting pearls and crystals.

If you want Master Powers to have to find special "force power crystals" before they can use their abilities, and tie the damage to these crystals, and have them be random tuning stats and the crystals only rarely drop from high-level mobs, then I'll give you full support in making powers = saber.

But, until MPowers are spending 100m credits on their force lightning and have to ADK their hands, then I think Saber should have a definate advantage.

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if powers is not considered a nuker prof because of the "use for escape only" force cloak, then lightsaber prof is an overpowered crafting profession.

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BukuJohnson wrote:
Actually Powers is the nuker, Saber is the tank.
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Nuker is a term used to describe a ranged profession that has a high damage potential.

Since Improved Saber throw does more damage than Improved Lightning and can be performed while kiting maybe he is right after all.


Buku
Naritus

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So Improved Lightning is the only ranged damage skill Powers has? Nah! Sabers' only ranged skill is Improved Saber Throw. All the rest of his skills have to be done up close. Hardly describes a ranged profession in my book.

Combine Choke with Lightning and a few others and Powers has a lot of damage potential, all ranged attacks.

People underestimate the power of Powers. It can dish out a ton of damage if the Jedi knows what he is doing and how to use his skills. Powers is a ranged profession and should be treated as such.

The problem comes when a Powers Jedi tries to stand toe to toe with a Saber Jedi. You just can't do it. That is like putting a caster up against a tank in a melee situation. The caster will get creamed. But put the tank into the casters arena (at a distance) and see who wins.

People underestimate the power of Powers. It can dish out a ton of damage if the Jedi knows what he is doing and how to use his skills. Powers is a ranged profession and should be treated as such.
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I have been a Powers Jedi for over a year now. Are you a Powers user?

Name 2 specials in powers that have damage of over 400 that do not have a warm up timer. I can name 5 in sabers.

Better yet tell me how many specials a Powers Jedi has that are not reduced to a Joke by the 0040 Defender and or 0004 Enhancer trees.

It is a simple fact that a Jedi using Pure Powers Specials will never out damage a Master Saberist.

We do both agree that Powers is a Ranged Profession and should be treated as such. Too bad that you have to stand still to use those powers.


Buku
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BukuJohnson wrote:
People underestimate the power of Powers. It can dish out a ton of damage if the Jedi knows what he is doing and how to use his skills. Powers is a ranged profession and should be treated as such.
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I have been a Powers Jedi for over a year now. Are you a Powers user?

Name 2 specials in powers that have damage of over 400 that do not have a warm up timer. I can name 5 in sabers.

Better yet tell me how many specials a Powers Jedi has that are not reduced to a Joke by the 0040 Defender and or 0004 Enhancer trees.

It is a simple fact that a Jedi using Pure Powers Specials will never out damage a Master Saberist.

We do both agree that Powers is a Ranged Profession and should be treated as such. Too bad that you have to stand still to use those powers.


Buku
Naritus

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Yes, I am a Powers Jedi and have been for a long time. You, like so many others, seem to think you can stand toe to toe with a Saber Jedi and come out on top. You won't. There is no way. But at 32m do you think a Saber Jedi can beat you? They can't beat me at that range. I know, I've done it many times. So the goal is to keep them at 32m and you have the I win button. If you don't have the ability to keep them at 32m then maybe you should re-evaluate your skillset.

Do all Jedi have the 0040 Defender and 0004 Enhancer trees? Not likely. Most MLS/MDEF have 0002 Enh and 3000 Heal. Those are your hardest opponents. But played wisely, you can use the skills you are given with Powers (along with other skills if you get the right ones) to whittle at them until they are eventually dead.

But if you stand there and let a Saber Jedi beat on you then you might as well just lay down and die because you won't last long. It's all in how to use the skills you are given and not about brute force. Brute force is what the MLS/MDEF Jedi is all about. If you can't figure out how to use Powers to win fights then you should probably change to MLS/MDEF because that is the easiest one to play.

Roicou said...

Yes, I am a Powers Jedi and have been for a long time. You, like so many others, seem to think you can stand toe to toe with a Saber Jedi and come out on top. You won't. There is no way. But at 32m do you think a Saber Jedi can beat you? They can't beat me at that range. I know, I've done it many times. So the goal is to keep them at 32m and you have the I win button. If you don't have the ability to keep them at 32m then maybe you should re-evaluate your skillset.

Do all Jedi have the 0040 Defender and 0004 Enhancer trees? Not likely. Most MLS/MDEF have 0002 Enh and 3000 Heal. Those are your hardest opponents. But played wisely, you can use the skills you are given with Powers (along with other skills if you get the right ones) to whittle at them until they are eventually dead.

But if you stand there and let a Saber Jedi beat on you then you might as well just lay down and die because you won't last long. It's all in how to use the skills you are given and not about brute force. Brute force is what the MLS/MDEF Jedi is all about. If you can't figure out how to use Powers to win fights then you should probably change to MLS/MDEF because that is the easiest one to play.

Well in PVP a MLS can out damage a Powers jedi Lightning VS Saber throw even with choke going if the MLS has 0004 enhancer or 0040 defender & teh Powers jedi has the same, but I have found ways to work my template to beat MLS/Defender's it does require having someLS in my template because I need to have a second damage dealing move in my temmplate. MLS can alternate 2 or 3 moves so they can attack faster Powers has Lightning & forcestrike both of which have self root on themoves & a warm up timer. Since the Powers damage moves have those a MLS even without using saberthrow can cover that distance before teh Powers jedi is done with teh selfrooting from the move they just threw. This is why Powers jedi have mostly just decided to go toe 2 toe with MLS saves teh time or running aroudn only to get kited by saberthrow & cought up to while they throw thier move.

I'm Master Powers

Healer 4000

Defender 0040

Enhancer 4004

& yes LS 0400

This is the template I need to compete against MLS the template & being a little more skilled in PVP than the MLS because with only 0400 vs MLS I do a little less dmg even with great pearls.

But if you stand there and let a Saber Jedi beat on you then you might as well just lay down and die because you won't last long. It's all in how to use the skills you are given and not about brute force. Brute force is what the MLS/MDEF Jedi is all about. If you can't figure out how to use Powers to win fights then you should probably change to MLS/MDEF because that is the easiest one to play.
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See this is the point where you lose credibility. You think that by acting coy and aloof while not elaborating on the skills you are using to augment your ranged Powers attacks you sound superior.

Reality is you could not answer one of the questions I asked.

FTR I didn't say all jedi have 0040 and 0004, I asked you to name me 2 specials in Powers that do not have their damage reduced by those 2 rows.



Buku
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