Jedi Archive
Thread: If you want to solve alot of problems in this game with BH and Jedi....
Hnglka
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:35 pm
#14
unless the bh has adks on every piece of armor they can easily get 4-6K worth of condition reduced from their armor in a short fight. I've seen fights where over 10K condition was removed from the BH's armor...
Lorelai_Seabreeze wrote:
Leanardo wrote:
snipaho wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
Just get rid of the xp lose all together
*BH closes within 65m of Jedi mark*
BH: /tell Jedi Hi, I have your mark. Want to split the cash?
Jedi: /tell BH sure, let me put my saber away.
BH: /tip Jedi 113000
Jedi: /prone
BH: /sniperShot
BH: /deathblow
*BH walks away 113k richer*
*Jedi clones 113k richer*
exaclty. Because id rather make 113k pure cash in about 3 minutes then have to fight this guy ruining my armor and weapon max life for an extra 100k. This is exactly what would happen.
Leo
ADK's and no loss on PVP
Skwall
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:58 pm
#15
kimsprince52 wrote:
I agree 100% Remove xp loss, the game woud be a blast all together. All the jedi would never run and PvP would be so much fun again. Exactly, no more jedi running, housing, cloaking, always have a fun fight. If Devs read the board here i would hope it would be considered.
That's the complete opposite of the way the game is inteded to head to. The devs WILL make jedi hide again in FRS. They'll make it to where you wont want to leave you house unless you have a squad of knights w/ you if it is perma-overt like in the old system.
Live it up right now, jedi have never been as free as they are now, what people fail to realize is that FRS will once again hinder the freedom of jedi.
Pday
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:59 am
#16
yeah lets take away xp loss and hte last excuse we have in place not to be a normal class. we are already weaker than alot of proffession templates, this would most likely make us even worse.
mort666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:29 am
#17
I've said this once, I've said this many times. The way XP loss is done in this game is stupid.
Firstly EVERYONE should have XP loss when they die, both Jedi and Non-Jedi. There should be two pools for XP, the one you accrue to spend on skills ('skills xp') and the one you accrue when you die ('death xp'). When you earn XP when you have have 'death xp' half goes to pay off your death xp and half goes into your 'skills xp'. That way when you die you can still progress at some rate.
Coupled with this the death xp should expire too, when your logged in it doesn't expire only when your logged out. I would suggest that a 500k of lost xp per day is good expiry rate. So if you lost 1mil of xp then log out for two days and it is gone.
When you loose xp it should be equiv to 1k per skill point you have used, so you have a full template of 250 skillpoints used when you die you lose 250k of xp.
I don't claim to have come up with this, because this is pretty much the model used by most other MMORPGs when it comes to character death and XP loss. But you look at it this way, everyone has something to lose in an encounter, also for those that play this game for fun and they do not spend their entire game time digging themselves out of a hole and not progressing.
Firstly EVERYONE should have XP loss when they die, both Jedi and Non-Jedi. There should be two pools for XP, the one you accrue to spend on skills ('skills xp') and the one you accrue when you die ('death xp'). When you earn XP when you have have 'death xp' half goes to pay off your death xp and half goes into your 'skills xp'. That way when you die you can still progress at some rate.
Coupled with this the death xp should expire too, when your logged in it doesn't expire only when your logged out. I would suggest that a 500k of lost xp per day is good expiry rate. So if you lost 1mil of xp then log out for two days and it is gone.
When you loose xp it should be equiv to 1k per skill point you have used, so you have a full template of 250 skillpoints used when you die you lose 250k of xp.
I don't claim to have come up with this, because this is pretty much the model used by most other MMORPGs when it comes to character death and XP loss. But you look at it this way, everyone has something to lose in an encounter, also for those that play this game for fun and they do not spend their entire game time digging themselves out of a hole and not progressing.
KRAKEN666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:29 am
#18
its funny how when you dont have an argument against a statement about jedi you always go ...what about the timeline,...jedi dont exist around this timeline....what a b.s. answer. when has soe ever thought about keeping to the real facts about the starwars themes. even if there was an enforcable timeline, how does that explain xp loss....i dont see obi saying...not today boba, i have to go kill pickets for 3 hours....xp loss doesnt work, all it does is make a jedi reluctant to fight and makes bh mad about using all the resources to find a target. xp loss subtracts from the game on so many levels. If soe even had a clue about how the mantra of the jedi was, they wouldnt be killing, thats for sure. they would be doing quests...oh, sorry, that takes imagination, planning, and real programmers. You have one set of quests in this game, the hero's quests, than even is remotely what jedi should be doing to advance. so, for all you bh who come in here and pose as jedi, you have a forum. For all you jedi who think xp loss is nessesary, enjoy your full templates and your compasion for the grinding jedi is astounding. for the record, i am fully templated, never lost to a bh post cu, and have 4 million banked.
Turd_Ferguson523
Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:39 am
#19
Going to get to the point where someone is going to want to wear fluffy pillows and airbags so we don't get hurt when falling down soon.
Darkvenegence
Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:41 am
#20
Turd_Ferguson523 wrote:
Going to get to the point where someone is going to want to wear fluffy pillows and airbags so we don't get hurt when falling down soon.
yup,i agree man,this game is turning into a carebear hugfest more and more everyday..mmawwwwwww..i feel griefed,mwhhhhhaaaa,,he clone zerged and blew up my swoop..mwhhhaaaaaaa that skill is stronger than mine..bunch of freakin babies i swear to god
Turd_Ferguson523
Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:45 am
#21
Darkvenegence wrote:
Turd_Ferguson523 wrote:
Going to get to the point where someone is going to want to wear fluffy pillows and airbags so we don't get hurt when falling down soon.
yup,i agree man,this game is turning into a carebear hugfest more and more everyday..mmawwwwwww..i feel griefed,mwhhhhhaaaa,,he clone zerged and blew up my swoop..mwhhhaaaaaaa that skill is stronger than mine..bunch of freakin babies i swear to god
I tell you I figured out the hidden Jedi motto?
'Jedi, not every profession hates us...yet. But, we're working on it.'
Atobe
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:16 am
#22
snipaho wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
Just get rid of the xp lose all together
*BH closes within 65m of Jedi mark*
BH: /tell Jedi Hi, I have your mark. Want to split the cash?
Jedi: /tell BH sure, let me put my saber away.
BH: /tip Jedi 113000
Jedi: /prone
BH: /sniperShot
BH: /deathblow
*BH walks away 113k richer*
*Jedi clones 113k richer*
It's been said that the reason XP loss on BH death was added was to prevent the sort of credit-farming scheme you're talking about. (On the other hand, without names on the BH mission terminals, it'd be difficult and/or time-consuming to do that on purpose.)
XP loss, as much as I hate it, is the only risk Jedi face in this game anymore. While we don't have as much "reward" as we used to (in terms of combat proficiency), we certainly don't have a very difficult game-play life either. Therecan be no perma-death with the primary toon being the Jedi. Mention skill loss, and you'll get booed off the stage soloudly your ears will be ringing for a week. PvP status points? Puh-lease. What's left, then?
For me, dying at the hands of a BH is more about the humiliation of being defeated in combat than it is about losing the XP, especially sinceXP is so quickly recovered now (relative to how it once was, or how it almost became with that recent "publish from hell"). And I feel that same humilation in PvE deaths, too, though losing at the hands of another player certainly means more (to me).
The only viable option in the current system is to accept that that's the way it is, and is likely to be for some time; dust yourself off, tighten your belt, lift up your chin, and get back into the fight.
Jacella
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:18 am
#23
KRAKEN666 wrote:
Just get rid of the xp lose all together and increase the pvp points. The only bh who complain about having greater jedi xp loss are nothing but griefers who only want to ruin another players games. Jedi just dont want to have to regrind the points back. If the xp loss was gone you would have jedi not hiding in houses, not cloaking and running, and would have more pvp content for bh and jedi. Just increase the amount of pvp ratings which is a real bragging point for the real players in the game. Even give extra skill points as a bonus for acheiving the 2k, 4k, 8k, and so on.
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-06-2005 07:25 PM
Kraken, how about this, we reinstate XP loss for all cloning. Then you can remove the BH factor.
iskareot
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:23 am
#24
Jacella wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
Just get rid of the xp lose all together and increase the pvp points. The only bh who complain about having greater jedi xp loss are nothing but griefers who only want to ruin another players games. Jedi just dont want to have to regrind the points back. If the xp loss was gone you would have jedi not hiding in houses, not cloaking and running, and would have more pvp content for bh and jedi. Just increase the amount of pvp ratings which is a real bragging point for the real players in the game. Even give extra skill points as a bonus for acheiving the 2k, 4k, 8k, and so on.
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-06-2005 07:25 PM
Kraken, how about this, we reinstate XP loss for all cloning. Then you can remove the BH factor.
Hmm, not horrid. Although I think in the current state of the game with all the (Other bugs) -- this is not going to work..
I mean lets face it, guild wars, server crashes, broken crap in game and all the other bugs we would be going backwards actully.
BH death is single and (moment realated) -- at least its more of a constant (pop Xp loss if you will)...
If you bring back all the other loss, then you better bring the reward with that risk for me.
SacrificeTheory
Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:01 pm
#25
KRAKEN666 wrote:
Just get rid of the xp lose all together and increase the pvp points. The only bh who complain about having greater jedi xp loss are nothing but griefers who only want to ruin another players games. Jedi just dont want to have to regrind the points back. If the xp loss was gone you would have jedi not hiding in houses, not cloaking and running, and would have more pvp content for bh and jedi. Just increase the amount of pvp ratings which is a real bragging point for the real players in the game. Even give extra skill points as a bonus for acheiving the 2k, 4k, 8k, and so on.
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-06-2005 07:25 PM
You should never post again.
Ryal
Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:11 pm
#26
I dont think xp loss should be removed, btu I do think jedi should GAIN xp for defeating their BH.
with names not on terms, there is no way for a jedi to exploit this and get free xp, and it would give the jedi some incentive to fight.
There is absolutely NO incentive whatsoever to risk loosing 3+ hours of hard grinding in a GOOD group because some BH decides its time to fight.
with names not on terms, there is no way for a jedi to exploit this and get free xp, and it would give the jedi some incentive to fight.
There is absolutely NO incentive whatsoever to risk loosing 3+ hours of hard grinding in a GOOD group because some BH decides its time to fight.