Jedi Archive
Thread: Did you REALLY work harder?
Brakor wrote:
Ameno wrote:
I think its more on this level... do they deserve to be a jedi NOW, that it requires no effort to be, when they didnt' want to be a jedi when it required TONS of effort. ask yourself that question, why suddenly play a jedi character, when you haven't had any interest in it to begin with. put 2 and 2 together.
See it's not up to us to decide who is worthy of playing jedi. Maybe to them the risk wasn't worth the reward or they didn't like the idea of forced pvp. Any way you look at it, there is no reason for us to get angry about it, ultimatly it isn't up to any of us.
personally i dont care, they can do what they want, i know what iv'e accomplished in the game. i got to experience jedi at its highest point, they get a shadow of its former self. their loss
Ameno wrote:
Brakor wrote:
Ameno wrote:
I think its more on this level... do they deserve to be a jedi NOW, that it requires no effort to be, when they didnt' want to be a jedi when it required TONS of effort. ask yourself that question, why suddenly play a jedi character, when you haven't had any interest in it to begin with. put 2 and 2 together.
See it's not up to us to decide who is worthy of playing jedi. Maybe to them the risk wasn't worth the reward or they didn't like the idea of forced pvp. Any way you look at it, there is no reason for us to get angry about it, ultimatly it isn't up to any of us.
personally i dont care, they can do what they want, i know what iv'e accomplished in the game. i got to experience jedi at its highest point, they get a shadow of its former self. their loss
That's my regret exactly. I unlocked in January and played like a skittish mouse, always aware of my radar and cursing myself everytime I got aggroed by an NPC and forgot to unequip my saber after the last lair.
Message Edited by Gamesanator on 11-07-2005 03:37 PM
Edit: All im trying to say is dont downplay our accomplisment, i have nothing against newer jedi or players that decided not to be jedi all the vets that have played since launch know what it used to take to be a jedi dont be hatin on us.
Message Edited by Gamesanator on 11-07-2005 03:02 PM
Message Edited by Gamesanator on 11-07-2005 03:07 PM
KyridIce wrote:
Ameno wrote:
I think its more on this level... do they deserve to be a jedi NOW, that it requires no effort to be, when they didnt' want to be a jedi when it required TONS of effort. ask yourself that question, why suddenly play a jedi character, when you haven't had any interest in it to begin with. put 2 and 2 together.
There were many who would have been interested in Jedi had it been more accessible. As it stands, the village system is a great deterrent (minus the double xp that is) for those wishing to become Jedi.
Anyway, I could continue, but your opinion seems too contrary to mine and this would probably result in a much longer conversation than it needs to be.
This is the point of the village/holo grind and the reason that jedi were powerful. If you don't like the idea of the force or jedi you really can't like star wars. Everyone who does has some aspiration to be a jedi. This just seperated the men from the boys.
I wanted to be a jedi and I did it, I played a lot to do so. It wasn't supposed to be easy.
The respec jedi want respect. Well respect has to be earned. Until then we are not equal.
Picture yourself at your job, you've worked your ass off to get where you are. You had to endure the bottom life of having people push you around, telling you what to do and how to do it. You were forced to do things you didnt really want to do but in the end you saw the whole picture and desided to do it anyways cos you knew where it would bring you in the end.
And now you are there, you're the boss of this district, a respected employee of the company. People look up to you for all the hard work you've done to get there, you feel good cos you know you put your soul into it and made it right.
Now... someone freash from school is getting your job right next to you, he didnt have to go through all the yelling and spitting bosses on his way to the top, he didnt have to endure the things you did, he just got the job...
That how it feels right now being a jedi in my eyes. I endured pain, sweat and tears gridning my jedi, building a reputation as just and honest one, but now someone who just bought the game can start exactly where I did months ago and be done with it within a couple of weeks.
It may sound childish but it's unfair.
Gigalesh wrote:
I see it like this:
Picture yourself at your job, you've worked your ass off to get where you are. You had to endure the bottom life of having people push you around, telling you what to do and how to do it. You were forced to do things you didnt really want to do but in the end you saw the whole picture and desided to do it anyways cos you knew where it would bring you in the end.
And now you are there, you're the boss of this district, a respected employee of the company. People look up to you for all the hard work you've done to get there, you feel good cos you know you put your soul into it and made it right.
Now... someone freash from school is getting your job right next to you, he didnt have to go through all the yelling and spitting bosses on his way to the top, he didnt have to endure the things you did, he just got the job...
That how it feels right now being a jedi in my eyes. I endured pain, sweat and tears gridning my jedi, building a reputation as just and honest one, but now someone who just bought the game can start exactly where I did months ago and be done with it within a couple of weeks.
It may sound childish but it's unfair.
It's not childish, it's a human response. It's called envy. You may see it differently, but that's what it boils down to, someone gets something cheaper than you or with less effort. The same is true for having something and then it is taken away, you are comparing yourself to your former self and being jealous.
I'm not trying to flame you, I've had it happen to me in the real world. I worked overseas for the U.S. Government and the heads of agencies changed continuously. Over time, I lost my ability to send mail for free from overseas, I had to buy more liability insurance for my personal vehicle, I had to begin payinglocal taxes in addition to U.S. taxes being withheld, along with various other injustices (in my opinion) that were all implemented to save money for the U.S. government orbrought about due to changes in law or new Executive Orders. At some point you have to look at what you are getting for what you are paying. I left that job when I felt the costs outweighed the benefits.
The bottom line is that all the time you spent or continue to spend playing SWG is a sunk cost. You never get the time back, and it has no real value to anyone but SOE. However, you can create valuefor yourself through enjoymentof the gamingexperience. Regardless of what other people get, how they get it, and what is fair or unfair, you need to look at the game from the standpoint of "What can I do the next time I log in?" If you don't think it's going to be an enjoyable experience, you should probably quit playing.
I feel for alot of these jedi. But I'm also upset at how some ofthese jedi are dealing with this. Many of these jedi were the ones complaining about needing this and that and now that they've changed something (in my opinion far better than the first CU) they're all complaining still. You know why SOE dosnt care? Because of people like many of these harcore players that think SOE works for them. No... Sorry to say but it dosnt work like that. Many of you talk about having the rug pulled out from under you but look at it from SOE's point of view. Every patch, every attempt to make the game better, the CU, all of it. On these boards it was nothing but whining. Honestly, I'd be glad to get rid of many of these whiners once and for all. I would have already quit, saying 'there's not satisfying these people'.
I am a vet, forget the reg. date. Ive been around since launch. I was there when we took the first trips to Dath, before mounts, before armor, buff all of it. I never went jedi. I wanted to, but I simply never agreed with the way they put it up there as the "alpha class", i couldnt handle the grind and i knew it. But did you jedi work harder than me? Hell no. In pvp while you wagged your glowsticks around killing people with ease, i struggled to keep up. Buying armor, grinding cash to pay for all the food and equipment. Now is my chance to finally do what I came into this game to do, and I've worked longer than most, and just as, if not harder than many jedi.
I'm sorry for you who have worked, but your not the only ones who have worked hard. Without ALL of the other players, you wouldnt even be where you are. Others made your armor, weapons, components. Others helped you kill creatures for your knight quests, and village quests. If your quitting, so be it. Leave. But please dont smash SOE for trying. Your the picky ones, not them...
/bow
Message Edited by Xanxibar on 11-07-2005 03:55 PM
CPA wrote:
Gigalesh wrote:
I see it like this:
Picture yourself at your job, you've worked your ass off to get where you are. You had to endure the bottom life of having people push you around, telling you what to do and how to do it. You were forced to do things you didnt really want to do but in the end you saw the whole picture and desided to do it anyways cos you knew where it would bring you in the end.
And now you are there, you're the boss of this district, a respected employee of the company. People look up to you for all the hard work you've done to get there, you feel good cos you know you put your soul into it and made it right.
Now... someone freash from school is getting your job right next to you, he didnt have to go through all the yelling and spitting bosses on his way to the top, he didnt have to endure the things you did, he just got the job...
That how it feels right now being a jedi in my eyes. I endured pain, sweat and tears gridning my jedi, building a reputation as just and honest one, but now someone who just bought the game can start exactly where I did months ago and be done with it within a couple of weeks.
It may sound childish but it's unfair.
It's not childish, it's a human response. It's called envy. You may see it differently, but that's what it boils down to, someone gets something cheaper than you or with less effort. The same is true for having something and then it is taken away, you are comparing yourself to your former self and being jealous.
I'm not trying to flame you, I've had it happen to me in the real world. I worked overseas for the U.S. Government and the heads of agencies changed continuously. Over time, I lost my ability to send mail for free from overseas, I had to buy more liability insurance for my personal vehicle, I had to begin paying local taxes in addition to U.S. taxes being withheld, along with various other injustices (in my opinion) that were all implemented to save money for the U.S. government or brought about due to changes in law or new Executive Orders. At some point you have to look at what you are getting for what you are paying. I left that job when I felt the costs outweighed the benefits.
The bottom line is that all the time you spent or continue to spend playing SWG is a sunk cost. You never get the time back, and it has no real value to anyone but SOE. However, you can create value for yourself through enjoyment of the gaming experience. Regardless of what other people get, how they get it, and what is fair or unfair, you need to look at the game from the standpoint of "What can I do the next time I log in?" If you don't think it's going to be an enjoyable experience, you should probably quit playing.
Damn right its envy, this is like walking into a store, finding a CD that cost $15 and buy it only to walk into the store beside and see the same CD cost $10.
It sounds narrow minded but I want them to work just as hard as I did to get jedi, to "waste" just as much time as I did. I dont want people to be able to get jedi from the start, it should be EARNED, just like I earned it.
I sound like a child but I damn dont care, laugh at me and tell me to get a RL, I dont care, but I do care that the profession I worked my ass off can be sellected just cos they bought the game 1½ later than me.
People consider it unfair that something they spent their effort and money on (like Hologrind or The Village) is now ignored and everyone else gets their reward for free now.
Just my 2 cents.
Yoiaholic1 wrote:
The respec jedi want respect. Well respect has to be earned. Until then we are not equal.