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Thread: No Force Bar? What Will Happen?

KRAKEN666
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:17 pm
#14

We would be another proffesion but with the advantage of not having a 4th bar to drain from. the force bar needs to go and the basis of force would be determined on your skill points used up as it is now. but no longer an amount of force issue, make it a quality of usage of the force. in short, your force attacks, defenses, powers, and healing are all based on the amount force gained through your boxes. the more force you have accumlated the better your usage or quality of the attack and so on. in the movies force was everywhere all the time, not just a limited amount for each person. at least this way the more experienced player will get the advantage of higher results from the force skills.
Ghert
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:21 pm
#15






Morwen wrote:






Theonedi wrote:
then we are a just another profession.





We already are just another profession. Sad, but true.





QFE - This would greatly be praised by us Jedi, however if the devolopers say doubled the force regeneration and max, then we could have some more balance.


Removing the force bar in turn, would cause contraversy with some enhancer abilties, AI from defender, and all of force power.


It can be done though.



Ghert
Elder Jedi

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scoodoobydoo
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:21 pm
#16


how do you feel?, about that person you used to be?



i feel terrible but thanks to you , i am doing much better now
and i am confident that when i leave i will be ready to take my place in society



and when do you think that will be ?



well now right away



why do you say that ?



well you sayd that when i was able to accept what i had done and understood
the consequences of my actions that i would be i would be free to go



free to go, you mean you dont think you should stand trial for what you did ?



no iam looking forward to proveing my innocence



i thought you sayd you accepted what you did ?



thats thats not what i meant, i was sick when it happened
i wasnt responsible for what i did



how do i know your not just telling me what i want to hear ?
perhaps we should continue this discussion next week ?



no i, i want to talka bout this Now



your starting to sound angry again maybe you need another treatment ??



Nooooooooo!!







i rememeber when they brought you in you were struggling screaming in fact
just getting the blood off your hands took over an hour



blood ?



on your hands, clothes, you didnt just kill that man you mutilated him



what are you talking about i didnt kill anybody ??



im afraid you did, you stabbed him, they found you near the body the knife in your hand



no.....its not true!



Yes it is and if you ever get out of here your going to stand trial



Your lying!



I imagine the punishment will be quite severe considering you stabbed him 9 times




Nooooooo!!







maybe you need another treament ?



what i need is to get out of this cell ive been locked in here for, for days
youve controlled my every move, you told me what to eat and what to think and what to say
and then when i show a glimmer of independant thought. You strap me down you inject me with drugs,
you call it a treatment



your becomeing adjatated



You Bet im Adjatated!!



i may be surrounded by insanity but i am not insane,and nothing you or anyone else can say will change that
and i wont let you or anyone else tell me that i am. You maybe be able to destroy my mind,
but you cant change the fact that im innocent , I Didnt Kill that Man!!



its us driveing You crazy... I can see we have alot of work to do



Nothing You Can Say Will Change The Fact That Im Innocent!! , Im Not Crazy,
im not Crazy.......





" jedi should be hard because being a jedi is your reward shouldnt be able to mess around and have fun"
"well this is a game for fun messing around is fun and if your that much of a
pr!ck irl you need to get laid"

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KalarSkytorcher
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:30 pm
#17

I like the idea of the Force Bar working like Action and Mind bars currently work, with a few exceptions:


Have the Force bar be 500, instead of 250 like Action and Mind (I think that's what they're set at). Of course,this would mean to lower the cost of moves like AI, but the regen rate on Force wouldwork very similar to action and mind....even better when sitting down. Also, have a faster regen to Jedi with more points invested in Jedi (or even base their Force regen on their combat level). So basically between fights, Jedi can regen theirForce bar in minimal time, with high regen rates completely destroying theneed for a 5000+ force Bar. I don't think this idea would ever make it, but it's just something to toy around with.



~Kalar Skytocher~ Chilastra

Jedi Youngling in response to bugs invading SWG:
"There's too many of them, Dev. What are we going to do?"

SWG Dev:
--ignites saber looking nerf-bat.

/end
Elisar
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:51 pm
#18






MDBangs wrote:

Here is my problem with the removal of the force bar. I feel that 0004 enhancer is a major part to any jedi template right now, however if you can have an unlimited amount of force what is the point? The cooldown on AI is okay but what about the self rez skill menh gets?(can't think of the name...bah) Should they have unlimited use of it? What would be the point of the fourth row of enhancer. Do I trust the devs to put something useful there? No...The idea I still like is the removal of action/mind costs. The force bar just seems like a part of jedi, no reason to get rid of it.





Most might agree that for PVE, Channel is a must... but meditate, in most peoples eyes is a waste.. the only difference is you dont drop Health as you regen... and generally speaking Channeling or Meditation requires a few moments of down time anyway... so why not invest those points elsewhere.. secondly...

Whats the point of 2/3 of the village trees? or any number of saber attacks? or powers... we still spam just a couple moves. So even though i like the aesthetic appeal of some of my hits... you still go with what works.


Jedi is only separated from other elite professions by the time it takes to come into your full strength.

Force Bar is a gimp. As some of the Scylla transfers have proven. A melee stacker in bad A$$ armor can outshine a jedi on a regular basis.. and why? because all they have to do is wear our force bar down.. a restriction no one else has. When we were packing the badest weapon in the game, yeah we needed an equalizer. As it is, we get no armor to slice, no variety of ubar weapons to choose from and few skill points to diversify. The force bar has gone from being an equalizer to being a handicap. It should either be drastically adjusted, or removed altogether.



Miles militis publicus

Elisar - Bloodfin

Be seeing ya!

You know... in my head... I saw that going differently.
TraceAntilles
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:53 pm
#19

The force is an entity unto itself, it only makes sense to have it in the bar up there.





Through the force things you will see, other places, the future, the past; old friends long gone.
xakia
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:53 pm
#20

Removing the force bar would only allow for you to be wore down with much greater ease.



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"Jedi, you've ruined your ...no no that can't be right. SOE you've ruined your own lands! You'll not ruin mine!"

_Cicero_
Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:34 pm
#21


Removal of the force bar would require them to completly revamp the jedi profession do we really want that?

Message Edited by _Cicero_ on 10-06-2005 10:38 PM

_Cicero_
Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:36 pm
#22

SWG is the only Star Wars game I've played that requires Force usage to swing a saber.

___________________________________________________________________________________



That is the truth

scoodoobydoo
Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:37 pm
#23

it would make it easier on us not haveing to balance force bar and action and mind


seriously tho iwould like it removed there would be no fc issues


only balanceing mind and action


you know what everyone else does when they kill Us




but as they say as Everyone says in a b!tch complaining voice


"jedi arent suypposed to be easy if you dont like it play another proffession"

"blah blah i dont consider others feelings blah blah im a jerk blah blah blah"



" jedi should be hard because being a jedi is your reward shouldnt be able to mess around and have fun"
"well this is a game for fun messing around is fun and if your that much of a
pr!ck irl you need to get laid"

"I am Scissors, Paper is fine, but Rock needs to be balanced"

Be careful... remember when Tiggs and Thunderheart acknowledged the pearl drop problem with premium / flawless? Look what came out of that one. *Can't fix it.. so you screw you guys
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