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Thread: For Me All The Nerf's Doesnt Matter If...
Flame my post all you want, the simple truth of the matter is jedi wouldn't stop complaining to allow others a chance at a revamp if they got their wish and the terminals were turned off. Yes there were many reasons for all the whining, it doesn't stop the fact that jedi have done little besides whine since they first appeared. All the whining has resulted in mass nerfs by the devs and earned the jedi the hatred of the entire community.
my earlier postmay have been poorly written but the point i was trying to make was there's no way the terminals will be turned off. The bh would protest greatly and they have similar numbers to the jedi. Instead why not ask the devs to get the few remaining nonjedi professions that deserve a revamp knocked out quickly so that they can comeback and dedicate the time needed to make jedi worth havingagain. Only by having the others knocked out first will they not have all the nerf cries coming in from the general community and maybe the hatred could die down.
MsNil the cu was not a revamp for any profession, it was a new combat system for all concern including jedi due to the many bugs in the old system. The devs considered jedi to already be inline with the new system from their previous revamp and did not change them. They didn't change alot of things they thought were already inline with the new system. Trying to push jedi ahead of smuggler or commando orscoutyet again seems rather lame if the only excuse you can offer is the cu.
It's not for lack of attention to jedi, they've pretty much been the one constant focus. The problem is, it's the wrong sort of attention. As much as I dislike most jedi in game, for their usualy horrible attitudes, I'd hate to run the 'balancing' gauntlet they go through. They get nerfed, they cry so they get enhanced, others cry so they get nerfed again, and so on. Realy, it couldnt take too long to just think it out, work on them for a good couple months or so, then put to live a working, balanced jedi class.
Infact they could let a different group of dev's work on it as sort of a testing ground to realy put some thought into it. Not the usualy, rush out an overdone revamp that irrelevent and will only need balance and nerfs after the fact. Then they could go on with the rest of the professions and the game in general.
No, dont have the devs try to balance it, take jedi and non jedi players that distinguish themselves on live and give them access to a special server to test the balance.
BadChef wrote:
It's not for lack of attention to jedi, they've pretty much been the one constant focus. The problem is, it's the wrong sort of attention. As much as I dislike most jedi in game, for their usualy horrible attitudes, I'd hate to run the 'balancing' gauntlet they go through. They get nerfed, they cry so they get enhanced, others cry so they get nerfed again, and so on. Realy, it couldnt take too long to just think it out, work on them for a good couple months or so, then put to live a working, balanced jedi class.
Infact they could let a different group of dev's work on it as sort of a testing ground to realy put some thought into it. Not the usualy, rush out an overdone revamp that irrelevent and will only need balance and nerfs after the fact. Then they could go on with the rest of the professions and the game in general.
Pday wrote:
captiansarcasmo wrote:
its like this is a forum for a game i don't play... maybe my server is special, but when i log on, the undisputed strongest character in the game is jedi. yes they occaisonally get defeated by a crafty bh, but only whilst they are whoopin the ever livin crud out of everything in sight and don't see them coming. they should rename the jedi forum to "the daily star journal" or "national inquirer"
ok give me a second here http://djkguild.zesthost.com/swg/Videos/Tanking101.wmvtake a look at that, thats 1 non jedi tanking between 4 and 6 pre cu jedi with good sabers for several minutes and even killing a few of them.
I think your server is way behind the times or just lack good pvpers, anyone with a basic knowledge, 6500 energy RIS, armor break slices, and a decent weapon can do this.
Message Edited by Pday on 10-30-2005 06:25 AM
hmmm i think the dudes that can't pvp might be the 4-6 pre cu jedi don't know, don't care, this forum produces all kinds of "video proof" maybe i'll post a video of a post cu jedi with no saber skills who can take on 3 norms at once and win without even using half his force. gimme a break.
The thing is that cant happen, a post cu jedi, with a post cu saber would waste half his force just doing basic attacks vs 3 stackers. I dont really think you have a clue to jedi or how they are to play.
captiansarcasmo wrote:
Pday wrote:
captiansarcasmo wrote:
its like this is a forum for a game i don't play... maybe my server is special, but when i log on, the undisputed strongest character in the game is jedi. yes they occaisonally get defeated by a crafty bh, but only whilst they are whoopin the ever livin crud out of everything in sight and don't see them coming. they should rename the jedi forum to "the daily star journal" or "national inquirer"
ok give me a second here http://djkguild.zesthost.com/swg/Videos/Tanking101.wmvtake a look at that, thats 1 non jedi tanking between 4 and 6 pre cu jedi with good sabers for several minutes and even killing a few of them.
I think your server is way behind the times or just lack good pvpers, anyone with a basic knowledge, 6500 energy RIS, armor break slices, and a decent weapon can do this.
Message Edited by Pday on 10-30-2005 06:25 AM
hmmm i think the dudes that can't pvp might be the 4-6 pre cu jedi don't know, don't care, this forum produces all kinds of "video proof" maybe i'll post a video of a post cu jedi with no saber skills who can take on 3 norms at once and win without even using half his force. gimme a break.
Message Edited by Pday on 10-30-2005 08:17 AM
edited to say also: its funny anytime someone says that jedi are whoopa$$, you guys say "but hey this ONE template can beat us!!" pretty silly. there are lots of other people playing the game besides the melee stacker.
Message Edited by captiansarcasmo on 10-30-2005 11:27 AM
lovisa wrote:
agree becourse as jdei was not as hurt by bf as other prof and entertainers got kicked in the but there
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-30-2005 08:01 PM
The thing is that cant happen, a post cu jedi, with a post cu saber would waste half his force just doing basic attacks vs 3 stackers. I dont really think you have a clue to jedi or how they are to play.
powers, ftw. keep yer saber. and yes, jailyn...that was fun the other night.powers? you'd most likely waste half your force in even less time. The only people powers is semi effective against is people in energy armor.
DiKan wrote:
hmmm i think the dudes that can't pvp might be the 4-6 pre cu jedi don't know, don't care, this forum produces all kinds of "video proof" maybe i'll post a video of a post cu jedi with no saber skills who can take on 3 norms at once and win without even using half his force. gimme a break.
The thing is that cant happen, a post cu jedi, with a post cu saber would waste half his force just doing basic attacks vs 3 stackers. I dont really think you have a clue to jedi or how they are to play.
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MPowers/Mdef. We were having some fun the other night with some friends. I wanted to see how much I could take
So, i dueled a Commando, a pistoleer, and a smuggler. Incapped all three of them and had half my bar left. Tactics, choke/dot, states, double mastery regen time for the schwartz. Were they the best PvP'ers in the game?...certainly not. Several bounty hunters have given me a hell of a run, and I lose now as much as I win. Many people go after the fotm. Or the typical saber/def/enh stack....which is not as powerful as it once was. The sabers suck force...and some of the posters have valid arguements about damage and defense ability. Lightning and choke take a considerable amount of force, but if you use them in moderation it's not a big deal. Point being...we can't generalize the Jedi class as a whole. There's several people with odd or unpopular templates that are playing in game with few to little problems. I'm not l33t by any stretch. I simply focus on defense and strategy more than brute force...and in many cases...it works in my favor. Lay back, conserve, and defendwhile that CM wastes their bars slinginmud at ya...then attack! /shrug. The spam attacks method offighting will get you killed more now than ever.
Anywho...there are some crazy damage dealing situations out there...but as they're dealing with that over the next few weeks why turn off one of the only unique forms of PvP in the game? Simply becuase someone wants to play a Jedi character with no risk? XP is easy to make up. I'm a casual/mid-level skillgamer and I can atest to that. Get out there
Message Edited by DiKan on 10-30-2005 02:53 PM
i wouldn't give a crap, but these types of players are the reason that all the other proffs get nerfed, all because they don't want to take the time to do it right and learn how to play the character they chose. or whatever...what do i know... as has been said only here in the jedi forum: IM A NOOB!