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Thread: I keep seeing this stuff about Make Jedi Harder and I dun wanna PVP or Stop Whining about PVP
abbink wrote:
Pday wrote:
silversaber wrote:
Allowing Jedi to be PvE only is NOT a nerf in my opinion, though there are those that disagree.
you could alow jedi to be pve only but they need to have their skills balanced with normal proffession to be 1 : 1 and jedi who chose PvP be more powerful because the PvP jedi are taking the highest risk.
I dont understan that way of thinking at all? Why does every that loves pvp think that their play style is supior to someone that likes rp and cooperative play. Make pve jedi much stronger and give them much more risk. Let pvp jedi be less uber and allow them to be about equal to another profession so that other professions can stand up to them in a pvp envornment. Why is it the assumption that a pvp envirnment is more risky and therefore deserves more prestigue?
erm because i didnt die in PvE a single time during my entire 4 month jedi grind, and ive died about 3 times PvE since i finished april 1st, i have died in PvP alot more times. NPC's dont think, they dont use tactics. PvE is about 5000 times easier than PvP.
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
I dont understan that way of thinking at all? Why does every that loves pvp think that their play style is supior to someone that likes rp and cooperative play. Make pve jedi much stronger and give them much more risk. Let pvp jedi be less uber and allow them to be about equal to another profession so that other professions can stand up to them in a pvp envornment. Why is it the assumption that a pvp envirnment is more risky and therefore deserves more prestigue?
What is a PVE Jedi? What does that mean? I don't understand, you area PVP jedi by defualt, you are forced into visibility if you choose to explore any content in this game.
You want to roleplay? Go sit in the middle of the Agrilat Swamp and roleplay a hermit, or go live on Tatooine and "scare" tuskens away from blonde loser-hair kids.
You can't be PVE, you entered Jedi knowing this, stop trying to revamp it. And trust me, right now you want jedi to just be PVE (even though a swordsman is better at PVE/PVP and noob saber jedi right now, invalidating that arguement right there) but later you'll hear people wanting to be a PVE Knight....
yeah we all have our opinions, mine just makes more sense than yours, lol
no way i will not stop trying. i think there needs to be a change and so do alot of other people out there. Stop trying to tell me to stop trying to push for a change! I think my own opinion makes more sense and so does everyone else. opinions are like butts everyone has one and they all stink! the only thingis see with the current system is hate, contention, disruption, division, the greatest oppurtunities to exploit, harass, and grief each other. I see people that are just worried about being uber leet and wanting to pwn everyone. I see nothing positive about the current system involving jedi. Whats so positive about manditory pvp?
Message Edited by abbink on 09-30-2005 06:17 PM
Message Edited by abbink on 09-30-2005 06:18 PM
abbink wrote:
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
I dont understan that way of thinking at all? Why does every that loves pvp think that their play style is supior to someone that likes rp and cooperative play. Make pve jedi much stronger and give them much more risk. Let pvp jedi be less uber and allow them to be about equal to another profession so that other professions can stand up to them in a pvp envornment. Why is it the assumption that a pvp envirnment is more risky and therefore deserves more prestigue?
What is a PVE Jedi? What does that mean? I don't understand, you area PVP jedi by defualt, you are forced into visibility if you choose to explore any content in this game.
You want to roleplay? Go sit in the middle of the Agrilat Swamp and roleplay a hermit, or go live on Tatooine and "scare" tuskens away from blonde loser-hair kids.
You can't be PVE, you entered Jedi knowing this, stop trying to revamp it. And trust me, right now you want jedi to just be PVE (even though a swordsman is better at PVE/PVP and noob saber jedi right now, invalidating that arguement right there) but later you'll hear people wanting to be a PVE Knight....
yeah we all have our opinions, mine just makes more sense than yours, lol
no way i will not stop trying. i think there needs to be a change and so do alot of other people out there. Stop trying to tell me to stop trying to push for a change! I think my own opinion makes more sense and so does everyone else. opinions are like butts everyone has one and they all stink! the only thingis see with the current system is hate, contention, disruption, division, the greatest oppurtunities to exploit, harass, and grief each other. I see people that are just worried about being uber leet and wanting to pwn everyone. I see nothing positive about the current system involving jedi. Whats so positive about manditory pvp?
It's not meant to be postive, its meant to keep you out of jedi, or disinterested in it, that's the sole purpose of it. Those that like jedi will have to encounter PVP in order to complete it. Those that don't, have 2nd slot and can re-roll their jedi back to PVE if they don't enjoy PVP.
The only reason this PVE issue came up, is becasue we have an influx of VERY new players who don't know the mechanics of jedi, or what it is and isn't and are trying to revamp the whole profession. Not only that, noob-saber jedi suck, and are pushing to become a "PVE jedi." Start killing BHs for once (even if that means re-introducing pearls/crystals) and all these PVE claims will die.
It's almost as bad as the GCW. Why should we be force to PVP in a GALACTIC CIVIL WAR in a MMORPG!!! Go play Jedi Knight Battlefront 2 or some other game....
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
I dont understan that way of thinking at all? Why does every that loves pvp think that their play style is supior to someone that likes rp and cooperative play. Make pve jedi much stronger and give them much more risk. Let pvp jedi be less uber and allow them to be about equal to another profession so that other professions can stand up to them in a pvp envornment. Why is it the assumption that a pvp envirnment is more risky and therefore deserves more prestigue?
What is a PVE Jedi? What does that mean? I don't understand, you area PVP jedi by defualt, you are forced into visibility if you choose to explore any content in this game.You want to roleplay? Go sit in the middle of the Agrilat Swamp and roleplay a hermit, or go live on Tatooine and "scare" tuskens away from blonde loser-hair kids.You can't be PVE, you entered Jedi knowing this, stop trying to revamp it. And trust me, right now you want jedi to just be PVE (even though a swordsman is better at PVE/PVP and noob saber jedi right now, invalidating that arguement right there) but later you'll hear people wanting to be a PVE Knight....yeah we all have our opinions, mine just makes more sense than yours, lol
no way i will not stop trying. i think there needs to be a change and so do alot of other people out there. Stop trying to tell me to stop trying to push for a change! I think my own opinion makes more sense and so does everyone else. opinions are like butts everyone has one and they all stink! the only thingis see with the current system is hate, contention, disruption, division, the greatest oppurtunities to exploit, harass, and grief each other. I see people that are just worried about being uber leet and wanting to pwn everyone. I see nothing positive about the current system involving jedi. Whats so positive about manditory pvp?
It's not meant to be postive, its meant to keep you out of jedi, or disinterested in it, that's the sole purpose of it. Those that like jedi will have to encounter PVP in order to complete it. Those that don't, have 2nd slot and can re-roll their jedi back to PVE if they don't enjoy PVP.
The only reason this PVE issue came up, is becasue we have an influx of VERY new players who don't know the mechanics of jedi, or what it is and isn't and are trying to revamp the whole profession. Not only that, noob-saber jedi suck, and are pushing to become a "PVE jedi." Start killing BHs for once (even if that means re-introducing pearls/crystals) and all these PVE claims will die.
It's almost as bad as the GCW. Why should we be force to PVP in a GALACTIC CIVIL WAR in a MMORPG!!! Go play Jedi Knight Battlefront 2 or some other game....
This is STAR WARS man! STAR WARS is supposed to be about the force and about jedi. STAR WARS = JEDI. IMO JEDI does not and should not equal PVP. Make a new ultimate uber storm trooper and rebel commando template for pvp that has nothing to do with Jedi and ill bet you wont see too many try to get it or complain when they do!
abbink wrote:
This is STAR WARS man! STAR WARS is supposed to be about the force and about jedi. STAR WARS = JEDI. IMO JEDI does not and should not equal PVP. Make a new ultimate uber storm trooper and rebel commando template for pvp that has nothing to do with Jedi and ill bet you wont see too many try to get it or complain when they do!
I've never seen an Uber Stormtrooper, sorry...
Jedi is all about PVP, what else would they do during this time era? Sit on comfy chairs and talk all day? Or go Farm for some Uber Loot? This is a game, this isn't cannon, yet it tries to adhere to what little is left of it.
What do you suppose Jedi do in the Star Wars Universe? Mace Windu said they were peacekeepers, and that was the time before the GCW took flight, they'd be considered soldiers now, especially w/ all 2 billion of them out there now thanks to the CU.
This isabout where this conversation ends, all hypothetical now...
abbink wrote:
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
Skwall wrote:
abbink wrote:
I dont understan that way of thinking at all? Why does every that loves pvp think that their play style is supior to someone that likes rp and cooperative play. Make pve jedi much stronger and give them much more risk. Let pvp jedi be less uber and allow them to be about equal to another profession so that other professions can stand up to them in a pvp envornment. Why is it the assumption that a pvp envirnment is more risky and therefore deserves more prestigue?
What is a PVE Jedi? What does that mean? I don't understand, you area PVP jedi by defualt, you are forced into visibility if you choose to explore any content in this game.
You want to roleplay? Go sit in the middle of the Agrilat Swamp and roleplay a hermit, or go live on Tatooine and "scare" tuskens away from blonde loser-hair kids.
You can't be PVE, you entered Jedi knowing this, stop trying to revamp it. And trust me, right now you want jedi to just be PVE (even though a swordsman is better at PVE/PVP and noob saber jedi right now, invalidating that arguement right there) but later you'll hear people wanting to be a PVE Knight....
yeah we all have our opinions, mine just makes more sense than yours, lol
no way i will not stop trying. i think there needs to be a change and so do alot of other people out there. Stop trying to tell me to stop trying to push for a change! I think my own opinion makes more sense and so does everyone else. opinions are like butts everyone has one and they all stink! the only thingis see with the current system is hate, contention, disruption, division, the greatest oppurtunities to exploit, harass, and grief each other. I see people that are just worried about being uber leet and wanting to pwn everyone. I see nothing positive about the current system involving jedi. Whats so positive about manditory pvp?
It's not meant to be postive, its meant to keep you out of jedi, or disinterested in it, that's the sole purpose of it. Those that like jedi will have to encounter PVP in order to complete it. Those that don't, have 2nd slot and can re-roll their jedi back to PVE if they don't enjoy PVP.
The only reason this PVE issue came up, is becasue we have an influx of VERY new players who don't know the mechanics of jedi, or what it is and isn't and are trying to revamp the whole profession. Not only that, noob-saber jedi suck, and are pushing to become a "PVE jedi." Start killing BHs for once (even if that means re-introducing pearls/crystals) and all these PVE claims will die.
It's almost as bad as the GCW. Why should we be force to PVP in a GALACTIC CIVIL WAR in a MMORPG!!! Go play Jedi Knight Battlefront 2 or some other game....
This is STAR WARS man! STAR WARS is supposed to be about the force and about jedi. STAR WARS = JEDI. IMO JEDI does not and should not equal PVP. Make a new ultimate uber storm trooper and rebel commando template for pvp that has nothing to do with Jedi and ill bet you wont see too many try to get it or complain when they do!
do you get it ? Star WARS the whole war concept means that if i see you shooting a stormtrooper and im an imperial colonel i should be able to go over there and shoot you in the face, impale you with a Vibro lance , or chop your damn head off with a lightsaber, it does not make sense that imperial players cant attack jedi on sight, they are outlawed by the empire, and the second they are indentified as jedi, imperial players and NPC's should be able to attack them.
Rebels is the same deal, a rebel in faction armor should be attackable by all imperials he's clearly a member of the outlawed rebel alliance, same as an imperial in stormtrooper armor they are clearly members of the empire and should be attackable by rebels.
Jedi are like al qaieda or however its spelled they are terrorists against the emperor, a jedi having a lightsaber out in theed is like having Osama bin ladin with a damn AK-47 at kennedy international, i think everyone would attack that guy, atleast law abiding americans!
Pday wrote:
do you get it ? Star WARS the whole war concept means that if i see you shooting a stormtrooper and im an imperial colonel i should be able to go over there and shoot you in the face, impale you with a Vibro lance , or chop your damn head off with a lightsaber, it does not make sense that imperial players cant attack jedi on sight, they are outlawed by the empire, and the second they are indentified as jedi, imperial players and NPC's should be able to attack them.
Rebels is the same deal, a rebel in faction armor should be attackable by all imperials he's clearly a member of the outlawed rebel alliance, same as an imperial in stormtrooper armor they are clearly members of the empire and should be attackable by rebels.
Jedi are like al qaieda or however its spelled they are terrorists against the emperor, a jedi having a lightsaber out in theed is like having Osama bin ladin with a damn AK-47 at kennedy international, i think everyone would attack that guy, atleast law abiding americans!
Yeah and if theed were under rebel attack the Emperor would just probably blow Naboo up along w/ all of the Stormtroopers. And of course there is a Bunker full of Mandalorian Armor considering not even Boba Fett has a full suit. Or the fact that Greivous' clone is at the bottom of a bug cave on the kashyyk that doesn't look like the one in the movie wielding a double-bladed saber instead of 1-hands. Or the fact that there still aren't any AT-ATs and AT-STs die to fists.
What's your point? I could go on and on, but I've made my point...
You're proposing all out warfare, yet you support PVE jedi? You're not playing the same game as everyone else, we all know what SWG is and isn't, and you will NEVER get your TEFing wish w/ all the carebears that support PVE GCWs or PVE jedi for that matter.
Skwall wrote:
Pday wrote:do you get it ? Star WARS the whole war concept means that if i see you shooting a stormtrooper and im an imperial colonel i should be able to go over there and shoot you in the face, impale you with a Vibro lance , or chop your damn head off with a lightsaber, it does not make sense that imperial players cant attack jedi on sight, they are outlawed by the empire, and the second they are indentified as jedi, imperial players and NPC's should be able to attack them.
Rebels is the same deal, a rebel in faction armor should be attackable by all imperials he's clearly a member of the outlawed rebel alliance, same as an imperial in stormtrooper armor they are clearly members of the empire and should be attackable by rebels.
Jedi are like al qaieda or however its spelled they are terrorists against the emperor, a jedi having a lightsaber out in theed is like having Osama bin ladin with a damn AK-47 at kennedy international, i think everyone would attack that guy, atleast law abiding americans!
Yeah and if theed were under rebel attack the Emperor would just probably blow Naboo up along w/ all of the Stormtroopers. And of course there is a Bunker full of Mandalorian Armor considering not even Boba Fett has a full suit. Or the fact that Greivous' clone is at the bottom of a bug cave on the kashyyk that doesn't look like the one in the movie wielding a double-bladed saber instead of 1-hands. Or the fact that there still aren't any AT-ATs and AT-STs die to fists.
What's your point? I could go on and on, but I've made my point...
You're proposing all out warfare, yet you support PVE jedi? You're not playing the same game as everyone else, we all know what SWG is and isn't, and you will NEVER get your TEFing wish w/ all the carebears that support PVE GCWs or PVE jedi for that matter.
wow Skywall i actually agree with you on something...lol
im completely against pve jedi, but im saying if pve jedi has to be in, dont give them any reward except the damn saber, im for the PvE option being only 1 : NEUTRAL, if you dont want pve dont sign up for a faction, no pve bases, no pve jedi, the old TEF system was great, its the same as in WOW, and they seem to be doing fine, just the idea that someone is able to kill a stormtrooper infront of 40 people in ST armor is wrong.
Skwall wrote:
Pday wrote:
do you get it ? Star WARS the whole war concept means that if i see you shooting a stormtrooper and im an imperial colonel i should be able to go over there and shoot you in the face, impale you with a Vibro lance , or chop your damn head off with a lightsaber, it does not make sense that imperial players cant attack jedi on sight, they are outlawed by the empire, and the second they are indentified as jedi, imperial players and NPC's should be able to attack them.
Rebels is the same deal, a rebel in faction armor should be attackable by all imperials he's clearly a member of the outlawed rebel alliance, same as an imperial in stormtrooper armor they are clearly members of the empire and should be attackable by rebels.
Jedi are like al qaieda or however its spelled they are terrorists against the emperor, a jedi having a lightsaber out in theed is like having Osama bin ladin with a damn AK-47 at kennedy international, i think everyone would attack that guy, atleast law abiding americans!
Yeah and if theed were under rebel attack the Emperor would just probably blow Naboo up along w/ all of the Stormtroopers. And of course there is a Bunker full of Mandalorian Armor considering not even Boba Fett has a full suit. Or the fact that Greivous' clone is at the bottom of a bug cave on the kashyyk that doesn't look like the one in the movie wielding a double-bladed saber instead of 1-hands. Or the fact that there still aren't any AT-ATs and AT-STs die to fists.
What's your point? I could go on and on, but I've made my point...
You're proposing all out warfare, yet you support PVE jedi? You're not playing the same game as everyone else, we all know what SWG is and isn't, and you will NEVER get your TEFing wish w/ all the carebears that support PVE GCWs or PVE jedi for that matter.
Message Edited by Pday on 09-30-2005 06:57 PM
Pday wrote:
im completely against pve jedi, but im saying if pve jedi has to be in, dont give them any reward except the damn saber, im for the PvE option being only 1 : NEUTRAL, if you dont want pve dont sign up for a faction, no pve bases, no pve jedi, the old TEF system was great, its the same as in WOW, and they seem to be doing fine, just the idea that someone is able to kill a stormtrooper infront of 40 people in ST armor is wrong.
oh my bad, thought you were for PVE jedi.
yeah I'd like a PVP server and a GCW that made sense, but I admit that it'll never happen.