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Thread: More info on Jedi Visibility...

Nocturnalis
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:34 pm
#14

heh



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TantoComo
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:34 pm
#15


That should fix it...




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plonger
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:36 pm
#16

test........
ravingbantha
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:36 pm
#17






travisr wrote:


/not true...look at my post...


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=567268

Message Edited by travisr on 09-21-2004 07:21 PM





I have heard this froma few others... I am wondering if the fact that you (correct me if I'm wrong) have fs skill of melee speed and accuracy as well as ranged def and melee defence are causing this. I know it's not ment to be the case since they are passive skills. But I can't help but wonder if that's the case, that the real bug is that passive skills when applied are being counted as force powers.
dodz
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:38 pm
#18






mochloD wrote:

JustG-



So just the ACT of equipping the lightsaber generates visibility or just having it equipped? Without armor im toast if i get caught without a saber in my hands.









thing is I am a firm believer they did this to control the jedi population but wont admit it, there letting bh get away with the tef after rez bug, right now all i see are gank squads coming for low level jedi.



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darksithmage
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:42 pm
#19

This is stupid, even if you hunt with friends of the SAME faction, you get visibility? pretty sure when luke saw obi wan fire up that saber in the hut on tatooine, he didn't run off and tell vader.....


What are you people thinking over in that office?



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FlyingElmo
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:47 pm
#20

You know, this is the whole reason why people are upset.


This is what the patch notes said:





Jedi should now be able to completely clear their visibility after 3 weeks if they don't do anything else to increase it during this time. Visibility is gained when drawing your lightsaber or using force powers for each NPC or non allied PC within range.







And this is how it actually is:





"Equipping a lightsaber, starting combat with a lightsaber and every Jedi action (powers and lightsaber specials) all have a visibility modifier. Each PC or NPC (non-animal)that observes a Jedi performing one of those actions based on their faction will increase the Jedi's visibility. An opposed faction member will increase visibility by the full amount, an allied faction member will increase it by 1/4 the amount and any neutral will increase it by 1/2 the amount."






This is why people saySOEis lying. Your postscompletely contradict each other. Take this one for exampe: You say non-allied PCs will generate visibility, implying that allied PCs wont. But then you backpedal and say that allied PCs will give you visibility as well. Basically, this shows that you don't have your act together.


BE PROFESSIONAL AND WRITE NON-VAGUE POSTS THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF MISLEADING THE PLAYER BASE THROUGH ILL-WORDED STATEMENTS.

plonger
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:48 pm
#21

JustG,


Could you please explain why after the penalty of gaining too much visability has been delivered via bounty hunter DB, why that penalty can still be given over and over? No where else in this game do you get penalized more than once for being on the wrong side, for instance stormtrooper searches only occur once and you don't get searched over and over all day.


I think the large xp losses would be much easier to swallow if I knew I could try to regain some of it back without fear of dropping even further into the hole if some other BH comes after me in an hour.
alephen
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:50 pm
#22

so let me get this straight


1) still cant hunt with my same faction guild mates, since they will put me on the terms, just takes twice as long as unaligned players. so still a jedi must be a solo PvE player.


2) however, if you happen to get on the terms, you WILL be there 3 weeks and so will be hunted daily. if you fight back you will gain new visibility, keeping you on the boards forever.


3) also if you get a PvE template, you will be worthless in the FRS, also you would be much tougher against a BH. since they know your EXACT strength and will bring enough people to kill you regardless.


4) and to encourage new templates for knights, who are perma overt, they tack on this xp loss, which is irrelevant to those set in the template, so they may never change templates.


so a padawan in this multiplayer game is to be a PvE player with a PvP template that must always hunt alone, and run from every fight.


i guess i will keep contemplating this until it makes sense



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n5ygy
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:50 pm
#23



FlyingElmo wrote:
You know, this is the whole reason why people are upset.
This is what the patch notes said:

Jedi should now be able to completely clear their visibility after 3 weeks if they don't do anything else to increase it during this time. Visibility is gained when drawing your lightsaber or using force powers for each NPC or non allied PC within range.

And this is how it actually is:

"Equipping a lightsaber, starting combat with a lightsaber and every Jedi action (powers and lightsaber specials) all have a visibility modifier. Each PC or NPC (non-animal) that observes a Jedi performing one of those actions based on their faction will increase the Jedi's visibility. An opposed faction member will increase visibility by the full amount, an allied faction member will increase it by 1/4 the amount and any neutral will increase it by 1/2 the amount."

This is why people say SOE is lying. Your posts completely contradict each other. Take this one for exampe: You say non-allied PCs will generate visibility, implying that allied PCs wont. But then you backpedal and say that allied PCs will give you visibility as well. Basically, this shows that you don't have your act together.

BE PROFESSIONAL AND WRITE NON-VAGUE POSTS THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF MISLEADING THE PLAYER BASE THROUGH ILL-WORDED STATEMENTS.






And don't delete peoples posts just because they point things like this out.



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Zarathustra
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:50 pm
#24

JustG,


Are there any plans in the future to ease up on grouped teammates? (or fixing the group tef bugs with BH missions? To fix this all you have to do is make it so all people grouped with the jedi are auto-consented with the jedi since this will fix the same faction tef bugs we currently experience). Afterall, this is an MMO, and Jedi do group with people and have friends as well An online game shouldn't discourage interaction with other players (other than being hunted for us that is..heh).



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Adalie
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:52 pm
#25






FlyingElmo wrote:

BE PROFESSIONAL AND WRITE NON-VAGUE POSTS THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF MISLEADING THE PLAYER BASE THROUGH ILL-WORDED STATEMENTS.







Yeppers, thats what I was saying in my thread. The way they write the notes really needs to change, cause given the original description players would think that its totally okay to hunt in groups again and generate all sorts of visibility. And the whole thing about equipping a lightsaber as totally absent from the original post too.


TH...I'm sorry to say this, but you need to do a better job of informing the players.Cause thisis the second time i can remember that everyone has been up-in-arms because you didnt write things correctly the first time (remember the mass gathering thread, anyone? )...



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Bishop_76
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:52 pm
#26

Interesting....even equipping the saber gives visibility.



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