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darkmeh wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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darkmeh wrote:

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pussycat wrote:
Will "prepub 9" elitism never ever die?

You are *NOT* special because you set off on a mad dash to master as many professions as necessary simply because you wanted to be *uber*.

Patience is a Jedi virtue... if you were so desperate and inpatient to unlock that you were willing to jump through all the hoops SOE set up, then you truly didn't deserve to be a Jedi.

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I strongly resent that statement. 32 professions here.

I'm not saying I should be better than anyone, but please don't tell me I don't deserve what I have.

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And I would disagree with you... I think the only people who truly deserved to be Jedi are those who showed Jedi traits in the way they played the game. Rushing off to grind 32 professions just because you were desperate to unlock ASAP was not, from a role playing perspective, a very Jedi-like attitude. You may have jumped through the hoops to get a Jedi, but at what cost? The hologrind almost destroyed the game... everyone (or nearly everyone) stopped caring about other players and simply pursued their own personal advancement at any cost, and using any means available -- and this oftentimes included AFK macro-grinding (for the professions where you could do it).

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You're absolutely right. The only people who should have gotten Jedi are those who did nothing at all toward it and just did whatever the hell they felt like doing. Yes, that's logical.

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The undoing of the Jedi profession was precisely that, having a mechanism to become a Jedi that would obviously mean the majority of the early Jedi would be powergamers and "l337" players... the very kind of people who would have the least Jedi-like attitude from a role-playing perspective.

A more Jedi-like attitude would be to act humbly and try to be helpful towards others, without looking down at anybody regardless of who they were or what they did. And that's just the complete opposite of what most pre-pub 9 Jedi were.

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darkmeh wrote:

The holo-grind was flawed, but you cannot blame the players for it ruining the game at the time. They only existed in the environment provided.

Also, you stated earlier in this thread that pre-pub9 Jedi are 'elitist' and implied that they complain and whine, etc., while you're telling me that they now deserve less than someone who was paitent (I'd have to assume that's you). So you're essentially saying you, the patient role-player, are better and more deserving.

Pussycat, you are a hypocrite.

And btw,

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You are *NOT* special because you did only what initially appealed to you and held to a virtue of 'patience' because you believe it is more *Jedi-like*. If you didn't work for it, you didn't deserve it, and you can't sit here and tell me that those who did work for it do not deserve it..

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Message Edited by darkmeh on 11-04-2005 09:01 PM

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It was the players who turned the game into a holo-grind... most (not all) pursued Jedi to be "uber". Yes, there are some pre-pub who are elitist, and even some pre-CU Jedi who are elitist as well... The issue of what players *deserve* is a moot point, there are game mechanics and depending on the game mechanics you may or may not be able to attain your goal. If I use the word deserve, it is not from the point of view of game mechanics, but rather a value judgement. You don't have to agree with my value judgement, I'm certainly not asking you to.

Yeah, I feel that some people didn't deserve Jedi just because they were simply out to be "uber" and "pwn" people. They may have earned a Jedi by virtue of game mechanics, but it doesn't make them more deserving in my opinion. Also, I don't think that enjoying yourself in a game should involve "work", I think you should just do what's fun and pursue what you like... I may not agree with the reasons some people pursued Jedi, but that's just an internal opinion, and if you don't agree with that, fine; again, I don't ask you to agree with me.

Okie doke, but I can assure you that being "uber" was not a pursuit of mine during the grind to Jedi. It was simply to be one of the legendary Jedi, and yes, I do roleplay here and there. I am hardly an "elitist."

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darkmeh wrote:
Okie doke, but I can assure you that being "uber" was not a pursuit of mine during the grind to Jedi. It was simply to be one of the legendary Jedi, and yes, I do roleplay here and there. I am hardly an "elitist."

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And I never said this applied to every single Jedi...

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darkmeh wrote:
Okie doke, but I can assure you that being "uber" was not a pursuit of mine during the grind to Jedi. It was simply to be one of the legendary Jedi, and yes, I do roleplay here and there. I am hardly an "elitist."

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i did it to be "uber". i wanted to be powerful as soon as i got the game. i wanted to be the deadliest dark jedi on my server. and i did what ever i had to do as fast as i could to get to that point. i did 32 professions, regrinded my entire temp 3 times to get it exactly where i wanted it. but i deserve nothing. but the guy that just sat around does..

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Potatofarmer420 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Potatofarmer420 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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darkmeh wrote:

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pussycat wrote:
Will "prepub 9" elitism never ever die?

You are *NOT* special because you set off on a mad dash to master as many professions as necessary simply because you wanted to be *uber*.

Patience is a Jedi virtue... if you were so desperate and inpatient to unlock that you were willing to jump through all the hoops SOE set up, then you truly didn't deserve to be a Jedi.

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I strongly resent that statement. 32 professions here.

I'm not saying I should be better than anyone, but please don't tell me I don't deserve what I have.

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And I would disagree with you... I think the only people who truly deserved to be Jedi are those who showed Jedi traits in the way they played the game. Rushing off to grind 32 professions just because you were desperate to unlock ASAP was not, from a role playing perspective, a very Jedi-like attitude. You may have jumped through the hoops to get a Jedi, but at what cost? The hologrind almost destroyed the game... everyone (or nearly everyone) stopped caring about other players and simply pursued their own personal advancement at any cost, and using any means available -- and this oftentimes included AFK macro-grinding (for the professions where you could do it).

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ok. lol. but i'm dark jedi, my traits are power hunger. so do i deserve it? i have the right traits for what i finally became. i went for power as soon as i could. i didnt care how boring it was going to be. i didnt wait for some more interesting and easier way. i just went for it. that a good trait i think. but in your opinion i dont deserve it? thank god your opinion doesnt count.

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The concept of a "dark Jedi" is to EU for my taste. I am a fan of the movies, and in the movies you're either a Jedi or a Sith.

People set out to unlock "a Jedi", they did not set out to unlock a "Sith". The game allowed you to pursue Jedi as Rebel or Imperial, and that came to be "light Jedi" or "dark Jedi", but that's just not something that you see in the movies... if you go by the movies alone, there were Jedi, and there were Jedi who turned to evil and became Sith lords. The saga never went into too much detail about whether you could just go straight to being a Sith without ever having been a Jedi... but, I digress, because in the end this discussion is about Jedi, not about the Sith.

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when you came past padawan you choose dark or light. i never had any intention of being light. i wanted dark from the get go. sadly the game as close to sith as you can get is dark jedi. so you said that i didnt fallow your little lazy jedi way of not doing anything till its easy. i went for power. and for me doing my part i dont deserve the toon i got? lol. and you must not be that big of a movie fan or you would know Darth Sidious was never a jedi. so yea, discussion over. your done. i hope you enjoy your jedi you got from doing nothing.

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This "choosing light or dark" was simply a game mechanic, that is not how the Jedi were ever portrayed in the movies; you could be a Jedi or a Sith, and you could even go from being a Jedi to being a Sith... but there was no such thing in the movies as a "dark Jedi".

I never said anything about certain game mechanics being "easy" or "hard", maybe you can pat yourself on the back and thing of yourself as a superior person for having done something that you deem as "hard", but certainly not every player needs that kind of ego stroking.

As for Darth Sidious never being a Jedi... I never said that he was. It would have been impossible for him to be a Jedi, everyone in the Jedi order knew him as a politician from the very beginning. I think it's painfully obvious that he was never a Jedi.

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-04-2005 09:25 PM

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Potatofarmer420 wrote:

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darkmeh wrote:
Okie doke, but I can assure you that being "uber" was not a pursuit of mine during the grind to Jedi. It was simply to be one of the legendary Jedi, and yes, I do roleplay here and there. I am hardly an "elitist."

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i did it to be "uber". i wanted to be powerful as soon as i got the game. i wanted to be the deadliest dark jedi on my server. and i did what ever i had to do as fast as i could to get to that point. i did 32 professions, regrinded my entire temp 3 times to get it exactly where i wanted it. but i deserve nothing. but the guy that just sat around does..

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Well, it doesn't matter what you believe you deserve. A lot of people put a lot of time in the game without choosing to be a Jedi, and they did a lot of stuff to help other players. You only cared about yourself. I don't care what you think you "deserve".

Pre-pub 9 grants no guaranteedrespect, some unlocked in 7-9 professions.

Some unlocked after 25+.. after they raised it from 5 profs to 7 or 8 ( did they disclose the end number)

Post 10 had some rotten stuff happen as well..

20 man squads, visibility way broken, visibility not clearing ondeath.

It wasn't easy for anyone, you had to invest time one way or the other.

Don't care to comment about this topic, just pussycat's replies. Umm, the movies are not the only StarWars materials people go by. Ever read any of the books? There are dark jedi in the books, you know...the things the movies are BASED ON. There are other books besides eposides 1-6, read a few. They are half-way entertaining and explain more about light/dark jedi and the sith than the movies ever will. Not arguing with you, just correcting an error.

Just a thought....

raz-

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Glowstix wrote:

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Swinder wrote:

Iworked my #$# off for jedi 5 girlfriends 20 pounds of eight 31 proffesions about 2 years of lies on a proffesions that was promised so much and never deliverd. And now some person that buys the game or someone that is level 80 tka can be a full temp jedi, i dont friggin think so and im sure alot of pre pub 9 jedi are pretty pissed about this.

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the Dark-Poet in your sig through me off... but the terrible sentence structure and how hard it is to comprehend what you say looks like Swinder...

haven't seen you since AC2 Morningthaw, whether its DP or Swinder... sup man.. it's been years. literally.

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Lol hey bud, Yea its the same swinder. what was your in game name in ac2? Send me a tell sometime on tarq server. And as in why im upset about what soe is doing to vet players and not even knowing what we went threw to get what we have just bothers me. Atlease give the knights and above something to show for what they have done.

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raziviWH wrote:

Don't care to comment about this topic, just pussycat's replies. Umm, the movies are not the only StarWars materials people go by. Ever read any of the books? There are dark jedi in the books, you know...the things the movies are BASED ON. There are other books besides eposides 1-6, read a few. They are half-way entertaining and explain more about light/dark jedi and the sith than the movies ever will. Not arguing with you, just correcting an error.

Just a thought....

raz-

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It is not an error, I already explained that I don't much care for EU... I'm not putting down anybody who digs it, it's just not my cup of tea.

And no, the movies are not based on the EU, the movies are GL's vision brought directly to the screen. He just chose to license his property so that other authors could write novels, comic books, etc.

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Swinder wrote:

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Glowstix wrote:

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Swinder wrote:

I worked my #$# off for jedi 5 girlfriends 20 pounds of eight 31 proffesions about 2 years of lies on a proffesions that was promised so much and never deliverd. And now some person that buys the game or someone that is level 80 tka can be a full temp jedi, i dont friggin think so and im sure alot of pre pub 9 jedi are pretty pissed about this.

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the Dark-Poet in your sig through me off... but the terrible sentence structure and how hard it is to comprehend what you say looks like Swinder...

haven't seen you since AC2 Morningthaw, whether its DP or Swinder... sup man.. it's been years. literally.

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Lol hey bud, Yea its the same swinder. what was your in game name in ac2? Send me a tell sometime on tarq server. And as in why im upset about what soe is doing to vet players and not even knowing what we went threw to get what we have just bothers me. Atlease give the knights and above something to show for what they have done.

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There are no knights... the FRS was disabled, every Jedi in the game atm is a padawan for all practical purposes.