Jedi Archive
Thread: Proof even reg players are think jedi is weaker and reg toons getting stronger.
Reahreic wrote:
yes and the unofficial word from soe underground grapevine is frs isnt coming back
i also heard a distinct rumor that the sky is going to fall...
c'mon guys. They've said *publically* several times that the FRS is coming back, but it's on the backburner while they work on professions that really need help. CH got their stuff, Smuggler got slicing changes that arent' random, Squad Leader is getting some attention. Once they fix a few more professions (Ranger for example) they'll move on to adding content.
If they straight up don't do a FRS, they will lose a lot of customers.
The conspiracy theorists on these forums are always funny because they fail to realize that SOE is a business, and half of the plans that they think SOE is going to unleash would go against the most basic of economic theories.
yea itl be back when they release SWG 2 and how long was it before EQ2 came out lol
Phenix1050 wrote:
Reahreic wrote:
yes and the unofficial word from soe underground grapevine is frs isnt coming back
i also heard a distinct rumor that the sky is going to fall...
c'mon guys. They've said *publically* several times that the FRS is coming back, but it's on the backburner while they work on professions that really need help. CH got their stuff, Smuggler got slicing changes that arent' random, Squad Leader is getting some attention. Once they fix a few more professions (Ranger for example) they'll move on to adding content.
If they straight up don't do a FRS, they will lose a lot of customers.
The conspiracy theorists on these forums are always funny because they fail to realize that SOE is a business, and half of the plans that they think SOE is going to unleash would go against the most basic of economic theories.
BladeWaker wrote:
dont think people care k?
heh its all mute neway
Phenix1050 wrote:
I was in the CU Alpha, and I remember them saying that a Knight would be 1.5x. If you disagree, that's okay, there's no longer a way for me to verify my data, since they shut down that forum a while back. But I remember it being worded like that. Regardless, I think that you can see that's the philosophy that they seem to be enacting. If you remove alt accounts from the picture and look at the primary toon (or secondary toon for pre-9 unlockers) you'll see that there are a LOT of Jedi. This number will continue to grow. Eventually, the fact that there are so many Jedi must neccesarily bring the consequence that they are brought into balance. Until you can find a way to restrict the number of people with power, then you must restrict the power itself.
Basically you won't see a 1.5x jedi until the FRS comes out.
majority of your points are valid, but let me ask this. how can we be prebalanced when there is nothing in place nor have they made up their minds what direction we are heading? how can we be balanced against a system that does not exist yet? these are the same tired replies they have given us since they screwed jedi up before cu. they said we are pre balanced yet there was nothing in place or down the line that would lead that to be true. i am well versed in history and this is very easy to remember from a short time ago. we are doomed to repeat it since we have not learned from it.
you are not being balanced to a non-existant system. You're being balanced to the rest of the game.
Right now, you see a fairly balanced system. The FOTM Bounty Hunter template does well against the FOTM Jedi template, but not always. You see powers/enhancer Jedi giving these FOTM BHs a whomping because the BH has to rely on you using up action with saber attacks, but you cripple them as well.
That's balance. Some templates doing well against other templates, others struggling against some templates, etc.
The additional 1.5x system can come later, but right now they are balancing baseline Jedi with baseline other templates. That's all you have to balance for right now, is the rest of the game. Then, when they add the FRS, they'll balance the 1.5x part. But they don't have to worry about that now, all they have to do is make sure the game is balanced as is.
Phenix1050 wrote:
Reahreic wrote:
yes and the unofficial word from soe underground grapevine is frs isnt coming back
i also heard a distinct rumor that the sky is going to fall...
c'mon guys. They've said *publically* several times that the FRS is coming back, but it's on the backburner while they work on professions that really need help. CH got their stuff, Smuggler got slicing changes that arent' random, Squad Leader is getting some attention. Once they fix a few more professions (Ranger for example) they'll move on to adding content.
If they straight up don't do a FRS, they will lose a lot of customers.
The conspiracy theorists on these forums are always funny because they fail to realize that SOE is a business, and half of the plans that they think SOE is going to unleash would go against the most basic of economic theories.
Well we are still waiting on the Battlefields.
Nastypope wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
Reahreic wrote:
yes and the unofficial word from soe underground grapevine is frs isnt coming back
i also heard a distinct rumor that the sky is going to fall...
c'mon guys. They've said *publically* several times that the FRS is coming back, but it's on the backburner while they work on professions that really need help. CH got their stuff, Smuggler got slicing changes that arent' random, Squad Leader is getting some attention. Once they fix a few more professions (Ranger for example) they'll move on to adding content.
If they straight up don't do a FRS, they will lose a lot of customers.
The conspiracy theorists on these forums are always funny because they fail to realize that SOE is a business, and half of the plans that they think SOE is going to unleash would go against the most basic of economic theories.
Well we are still waiting on the Battlefields.
Er, they have been removed from the game a few publishes ago and replaced with "no build zones", so stop waiting for them.
And begin waiting for the patchnote that says 'FRS removed and replaced with a no build zone.'
Sopowah wrote:
Quadork wrote:
Sopowah wrote:
Hey Bria I am thinking about returning to SWG. What has changed between now and May 05' ? Any improvements?
Hey Thrawny, what's shaking man
I'll tell you this, if you've still got that killer power hammer, you can come back an f'ing PWN people.
We're back to the pre CU days of swordsmen ruling PvP and it just so happens that we're at war with like 7 rebel guilds so there's ALWAYS reds about.
Oh that, and there's no more clone camping (you are unattackable for 1 minute after death).
Come back and give it a shot.
Good to hear from you Perch, is KoA rebel or you guys trying to pull my leg? anyways are jedi still a dominent part of PvP? And also I would like to know if Food is still an important industry?
Ohh hey Thrawny, wondered where you vanished too
Jedi aren't so much of an issue as they used to be..well, unless your out solo and run into a group of them (happens far too often to me lol)
Message Edited by EVILxWARLOCK on 09-16-2005 12:37 AM
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
you are not being balanced to a non-existant system. You're being balanced to the rest of the game.
Right now, you see a fairly balanced system. The FOTM Bounty Hunter template does well against the FOTM Jedi template, but not always. You see powers/enhancer Jedi giving these FOTM BHs a whomping because the BH has to rely on you using up action with saber attacks, but you cripple them as well.
That's balance. Some templates doing well against other templates, others struggling against some templates, etc.
The additional 1.5x system can come later, but right now they are balancing baseline Jedi with baseline other templates. That's all you have to balance for right now, is the rest of the game. Then, when they add the FRS, they'll balance the 1.5x part. But they don't have to worry about that now, all they have to do is make sure the game is balanced as is.
They don't need to know where the FRS is going to balance the game of today.
If you think MLS guys use more action than Master Powers/Master Enhancers do, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Plus, they use tons more force than MLS guys do.
The reason Master Powers/enhancer do as well (I don't say better, 'cause a good MLS/MDef can whomp a BH, too) is because they are ranged - they can blast away up to 32m.
MLS guys (with the exception of saber throw) are limited to 5 m.
Big dif.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-16-2005 03:02 PM
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-16-2005 03:04 PM
They do well because of a more specific reason...it's five letters, begins with C, and many people do this to their chicken
Jedi Padawan
Rebel Colonel
Phenix1050 wrote:
you are not being balanced to a non-existant system. You're being balanced to the rest of the game.
Right now, you see a fairly balanced system. The FOTM Bounty Hunter template does well against the FOTM Jedi template, but not always. You see powers/enhancer Jedi giving these FOTM BHs a whomping because the BH has to rely on you using up action with saber attacks, but you cripple them as well.
That's balance. Some templates doing well against other templates, others struggling against some templates, etc.
The additional 1.5x system can come later, but right now they are balancing baseline Jedi with baseline other templates. That's all you have to balance for right now, is the rest of the game. Then, when they add the FRS, they'll balance the 1.5x part. But they don't have to worry about that now, all they have to do is make sure the game is balanced as is.
They don't need to know where the FRS is going to balance the game of today.
If you think MLS guys use more action than Master Powers/Master Enhancers do, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Plus, they use tons more force than MLS guys do.
The reason Master Powers/enhancer do as well (I don't say better, 'cause a good MLS/MDef can whomp a BH, too) is because they are ranged - they can blast away up to 32m.
MLS guys (with the exception of saber throw) are limited to 5 m.
Big dif.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-16-2005 03:02 PM
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-16-2005 03:04 PM