Jedi Archive
Thread: *** The Great Dark Force Wielder Template: MPowers/MEnhancer/Healer 4040 (Lord Vartonis Update)
Updated with some Pub 24 / Mustafar / Obi-Wan Trials data.
Also make sure you read the post just above this one.
Enjoy!
ieveko-Sunrunner wrote:
I need to ask another quick question about grinding this template. I have master bounty hunter and master pistoleer atm, what skills should I drop as I grind jedi to keep myself able to defend against BH's for as long as possible?
Thank you for considering this question
Well, I know my reply is very late, but in case anyone else wonders,I would keep everthing that gives ranged defense for as long as possible.
Also, the critical one is to keep stopping shot in pistoleer for as long as possible to root BHs in order to escape encounters.
Message Edited by SWGHottie on 11-01-2005 08:37 AM
lol, yeah, I love lightning, especially when it delivers the killer blow, and the mob dies as you fry it... priceless.
Electrichazard wrote:
SWGHottie wrote:
- Throw in force lightning at regular intervals... it's fun!
I think you should use this in all your posts. After all, it is true.
Ultiamus wrote:
Great guide!
Thanks for taking the time to put it together. I also seriously considered dropping lightsaber skills completely during the respec period, but so many people told me it was not viable. I wish i did not listen to them now. After reading this, it seems that you have proven them wrong.
The fact i took force sensitive branches such as Melee Speed & Melee Accuracy and not ranged branches gave me a foundation that was well-suited to using a lightsaber. Now that i have read the FS ranged bonuses do not aid Powers you have made me think twice about dropping my saber skills again. Do you think the FS ranged bonuses will be made to aid Powers anytime in the future or is it confirmed that ranged accuracy and speed bonuses will never aid Powers?
AKAIK ranged bonus in FS do not help powers... hopefully that will get fixed butI have little hope for this. Seems FS skills are meant to be a useless skill points sink on the way to jedi.
And unless someone can prove me wrong, ranged accuracy foods (deuterium pyro, etc.) actually *do* help with ranged powers.
Lastly, the sad thing is tied to enhancer abilities in my template: suppression, stasis and other enhancer abilities do not have accuracy mods, the usey the accuracy of the weapon you are holding, which means if I hold a LS, I miss a lot since my LS accuracy sucks (I have +7 from a tape only). And if you hold no weapon at all, it uses your unarmed melee accuracy instead of force accuracy, which sucks even more. They really need to fix this, and I need to update my original post in "The Ugly" section with this info, as enhancer skills miss way too much in my template. 
ZeDarkSide wrote:
"The Great Dark Force Wielder Template: MPowers/MEnhancer/Healer 4-0-4-0"
nice post, template is cool,really !!
but a jedi without lightsaber is not a jedi for me (dark or light)
the wielder profession is justin complement of lighsaber profession, alone it's too weak.
SWGHottie wrote:
Ultiamus wrote:
Great guide!
The fact i took force sensitive branches such as Melee Speed & Melee Accuracy and not ranged branches gave me a foundation that was well-suited to using a lightsaber. Now that i have read the FS ranged bonuses do not aid Powers you have made me think twice about dropping my saber skills again. Do you think the FS ranged bonuses will be made to aid Powers anytime in the future or is it confirmed that ranged accuracy and speed bonuses will never aid Powers?
AKAIK ranged bonus in FS do not help powers... hopefully that will get fixed butI have little hope for this. Seems FS skills are meant to be a useless skill points sink on the way to jedi.
And unless someone can prove me wrong, ranged accuracy foods (deuterium pyro, etc.) actually *do* help with ranged powers.
Lastly, the sad thing is tied to enhancer abilities in my template: suppression, stasis and other enhancer abilities do not have accuracy mods, the usey the accuracy of the weapon you are holding, which means if I hold a LS, I miss a lot since my LS accuracy sucks (I have +7 from a tape only). And if you hold no weapon at all, it uses your unarmed melee accuracy instead of force accuracy, which sucks even more. They really need to fix this, and I need to update my original post in "The Ugly" section with this info, as enhancer skills miss way too much in my template.
would correllian ale help maybe? or is it only looking at ls accuracy and not general melee accuracy?
Oh, another interesting tidbit of info about this template... I'll add it to the original post later. Check this link on another post I made earlier:
You can choke while meditating without stopping
aaghassi wrote:
Why in PVP, Mpower/MEnhancer should attack his enemies power(health)? not their weakness ( they are slow & no defense against drain force, andonly one range attack(for MSL/MDEF variation)
Their one ranged attack (saber throw) has a higher DPS than ours (force lightning). They can also do it while getting hit and they can do it while moving. Throw in lag, and powers often fizzle because the server thinks you're moving sometimes even when you're not.
with mpower/menhancer, and if usingforcerun 3 , and doing only drain forcewith ,force suspension/ Statis/ Weaken (snare) / Force wave / cloak ,
When force run 3 is on damage goes to nothing. Can't cloak because there are usually things near you and it drains a lot of force to keep turning it on and off. The other affects only keep the guy away, it doesn't kill him. Killing people is the problem with this template... it's hard to kill anything.
and stay 25 distanceall the time the only attack they have againt this temp is LS throw (and no armor break).
They have roots and snares. Also saberthrow is better than lightning - they don't have to stop to use it and they get a higher DPS. Also costs less force.
( but they don't have much range accuracy anyway,and 100 range defensedrink can help on that)
I may be wrong on this one, but I believe saber throw is calculated as a melee attack even though it's ranged.
and when their force =0 they are going to be much easier to fight.
Powers/Enhancers are going to be the first to run out of force. As for drain, what's to stop them from draining you back... or, even better, to kill you while you're wasting time trying to drain them?
I am not full temp yet just wondering why should n't use drain force to attack mls/mdef temp
Also, in addition to 500 novice header ,I can use stim-D with drink to reduce its cool off time ( statis can help to)
Drain also drains a pitiful amount of force. This template (I have it BTW) takes a ton of damage and with FA2 on, that wastes a ton of force. Stasis in PvP often misses and when it doesn't there's a good chance someone is going to hit your guy and break the effect.
I find MPow/MEnh/Healer a fun template but it's seriously lacking in PvE/PvP. My main drip is the DPS. For something so slow, so vulnerable, and so force-consuming, the DPS needs to be pushed way up to cover the many drawbacks of Powers. The devs promised Powers to be a viable alternative to Sabers in the CU, but so far they haven't delivered on this promise. Powers users are in complete envy of the DPS sabers and non-Jedi combat templates can put out these days.
Arash,
Message Edited by aaghassi on 09-23-2005 04:51 AM