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CM/BH isa nearlyperfect template to rip up a Sab/Def Jedi. Keep that in mind before you even start to figure out how your going to beat him. You will propably still looseagainst the best of them no matter how well you perform.Powers,Enhancers, Healers, & Hybridsmake short work ofthe CMs, but that's not your build.

In short, the CMs enemy is his mind. Do what you can to force them into a healing cycle without comitting to a short fight. If you can you've already won, keep him on the defensive and go for the fast kill. If you can't, conserve your Mind, Action & Force. Your in for a long haul.

Food, Spice, & Attachments can be a big help for you. Poision, Disease & Fireresist is your friend. If your not willing to part with your precious Saber combat clothes in favor of anti-CM stuff (who would blame you?) then keep a change of clothes for fighting them. Focus on preserving your mind, you'll need it for your heals. Booster Blue, Accaragm, Ahrisa, Spiced Tea & Vagnerian Canape are all great for the mind and Durindfire, Ithorian Mist, Jaar, Cho-Nor-Hoola, Dustcrepe, Havla & Trimpian will help you fight the CMs dots. Ruby Bliel & some nice stims will do alot to save both your mind & your force. In all your foods, keep a close eye on the filling. If you don't see what you want, you can propably work with an established chef to see how much effectiveness youare willing totrade for a lower filling.

While fighting the CM, remember... He is not a master of weapons; he haslittle weapon accuracy & speed in his template. The defences you have from Defender alone should far out strip their weapon skills. Forget about Aura. Forget about Valor. Forget the ranged defence foods. Save the force & your stomachefor killing him, and keeping yourself alive. Neither CMor BH offer any state recoveries, so keep him stacked heavy. Dizzy, Stun, Blind (Blind vs someone with no accuracy = a defender not gettng hit at all) will all work for you, even if only a little bit. Also, aside from the skills he gets from BH, he has weapons skills & mods from only one weapons tree (or has spread himself thin to gain more but weaker skills). Ie.If he hits you with an Imp Head shot, then he propably has 4000Rifles in there. What does that give him, and what does it mean he can't do? If you don't know, you need to take time and learn.

While 0003Enh is great for running the grind groups & non-stop playing around, 3000Enh gives you lots of tools to use in 1v1 combat. Root, Force Run & Force Speed II are great for keeping that target where you want him, maximising your dps while your on the offensive, and giving you the chance to evade if it comes to that. With no channel, you will need to learn to control your use of force. Keeping 2 or 3 sabers with different stats will help in this (assuming you don't have a monster 700+Dam/9fc saber). You'll also want to be sure to keep a holo for emergency use. Since your done grinding, it might not be worth burning a holo, but that's your call. On the plus side, by not hammering on the channel button throughout your fight, you'll find that you actually have some mind & actionavailable to throw at your target. You may also consider moving the tier III box in Enhancer to 3000Heal. That infusion can be a nice counter for their dots, with little force/mind use.

If your not willing to re-work your template, then you'll need to practice at guaging your opponent so that you know when to conserve force, mind and action& when to go to town. What foods are they using, and when will they run out? Is he healing with stims more often than once a min (filling his stomache w/ Ruby)? Watch those short term foods too, they can be killers if your not ready for them.

Message Edited by Va-Mei on 09-04-2005 01:09 AM

I was bh/mcm for quite a while and yeah mind is the main thing, if im losing enough health where i have to focus more on healing than attacking im going down eventually regardless.

Change your 0003 enhancer to 3000 enhancer and you can beat them pretty easy. Root + speed keeps them still and lets you hit fast enough to keep them healing. Once the mind is gone, it's nothing. Enhancer 0003 is nice, but not effective in a CM battle imo

simple-

mls def 0040 enh 3002 healer 4040

i dont really need to explain the skills you get with that do i?

lower the bh's defenses then tear him/her up. start with force infusion then as and when use forceheal to counter the mcm poisions/fire.

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tib-infinity wrote:
simple-

mls def 0040 enh 3402 healer 4040

i dont really need to explain the skills you get with that do i?

lower the bh's defenses then tear him/her up. start with force infusion then as and when use forceheal to counter the mcm poisions/fire.

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voilá, you can put that skill ontop

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Va-Mei wrote:

CM/BH isa nearlyperfect template to rip up a Sab/Def Jedi. Keep that in mind before you even start to figure out how your going to beat him. You will propably still looseagainst the best of them no matter how well you perform.Powers,Enhancers, Healers, & Hybridsmake short work ofthe CMs, but that's not your build.

In short, the CMs enemy is his mind. Do what you can to force them into a healing cycle without comitting to a short fight. If you can you've already won, keep him on the defensive and go for the fast kill. If you can't, conserve your Mind, Action & Force. Your in for a long haul.

Food, Spice, & Attachments can be a big help for you. Poision, Disease & Fireresist is your friend. If your not willing to part with your precious Saber combat clothes in favor of anti-CM stuff (who would blame you?) then keep a change of clothes for fighting them. Focus on preserving your mind, you'll need it for your heals. Booster Blue, Accaragm, Ahrisa, Spiced Tea & Vagnerian Canape are all great for the mind and Durindfire, Ithorian Mist, Jaar, Cho-Nor-Hoola, Dustcrepe, Havla & Trimpian will help you fight the CMs dots. Ruby Bliel & some nice stims will do alot to save both your mind & your force. In all your foods, keep a close eye on the filling. If you don't see what you want, you can propably work with an established chef to see how much effectiveness youare willing totrade for a lower filling.

While fighting the CM, remember... He is not a master of weapons; he haslittle weapon accuracy & speed in his template. The defences you have from Defender alone should far out strip their weapon skills. Forget about Aura. Forget about Valor. Forget the ranged defence foods. Save the force & your stomachefor killing him, and keeping yourself alive. Neither CMor BH offer any state recoveries, so keep him stacked heavy. Dizzy, Stun, Blind (Blind vs someone with no accuracy = a defender not gettng hit at all) will all work for you, even if only a little bit. Also, aside from the skills he gets from BH, he has weapons skills & mods from only one weapons tree (or has spread himself thin to gain more but weaker skills). Ie.If he hits you with an Imp Head shot, then he propably has 4000Rifles in there. What does that give him, and what does it mean he can't do? If you don't know, you need to take time and learn.

While 0003Enh is great for running the grind groups & non-stop playing around, 3000Enh gives you lots of tools to use in 1v1 combat. Root, Force Run & Force Speed II are great for keeping that target where you want him, maximising your dps while your on the offensive, and giving you the chance to evade if it comes to that. With no channel, you will need to learn to control your use of force. Keeping 2 or 3 sabers with different stats will help in this (assuming you don't have a monster 700+Dam/9fc saber). You'll also want to be sure to keep a holo for emergency use. Since your done grinding, it might not be worth burning a holo, but that's your call. On the plus side, by not hammering on the channel button throughout your fight, you'll find that you actually have some mind & actionavailable to throw at your target. You may also consider moving the tier III box in Enhancer to 3000Heal. That infusion can be a nice counter for their dots, with little force/mind use.

If your not willing to re-work your template, then you'll need to practice at guaging your opponent so that you know when to conserve force, mind and action& when to go to town. What foods are they using, and when will they run out? Is he healing with stims more often than once a min (filling his stomache w/ Ruby)? Watch those short term foods too, they can be killers if your not ready for them.

Message Edited by Va-Mei on 09-04-2005 01:09 AM

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Great advise here. But just don't waste cash on resistance tapes as they don't work

Do what I do if you can. I ama MDef with some most of that Saber boxes. Do what I do. WAIT TILL HIS BUFFS DROP. Then it's a matter of time, he'll spam hits, his action will go. Land your states, wait to knock him down till his action is low, it's all over from there. They can't heal to when they are down from my experience. They can't get up with the low action so you have the battle there. Use Valor andAura and you'll be fine. The pointless wasting the Force on.

Hmm I dont know for that template. But if anyone is a Menhancer you could always just stasis them and lead them on a 30 min chase or until their doc buffs die. they should b too mad about being stasised so often that they should make a mistake. Dont forget to call him a noob after ya stasis them.

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bombuchu wrote:

i know ppl will flame this , but i dont care..

i have fought bh/mcm and other temps with cm in them and they all heal like theres no tomorrow.

in some cases i can beat them in 5 mins or less, other i need 30 mins or even i'd get tired and run.

heres my request,i would like to hear your opinions on some strat. on beating a bhs with cm in them

my temp is mls,mdef,enh0003, healer2000 (fotm)

thx

p.s. what happen to the guild about dealing with bhs

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I just run while they send me hate tells.

does any of the lines from healer to slow down there mind and action and mind regin work at all??

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Gillik wrote:
Hmm I dont know for that template. But if anyone is a Menhancer you could always just stasis them and lead them on a 30 min chase or until their doc buffs die. they should b too mad about being stasised so often that they should make a mistake. Dont forget to call him a noob after ya stasis them.

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I usually justget their health low, then KD + Stasis + Power Attack to finish them off.