Jedi Archive

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stonecoldtool wrote:

Ok just read the notes on SL and they are pretty sweet but I had a concern. Now maybe this is a question already answered and I just never read the news but I'm concerned about the SL buffs if a BH is grpd with them. Yes I know the SL would NOT be able to attack the jedi BUT now that it is a "buff" system will the BH be able to have those buffs while attacking the jedi? I'm just afraid of an exploit on this new SL change. One of the new changes to SL is the way volley fire works, it can enable the attacker to bypass armor (innate jedi armor??). That could be tough for those out there that are defenders. Well correct me if I'm wrong, I welcome it so taht I don't have to worry lol.

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yes, we're aware now... Devs clearly are not and it WILL be pushed to live as it. They'll say buffs should apply to a BH Tef'd target (BH or Jedi) but that'll be crap. You'll just have BH grouping with a SL when they fancy going on a hunt. For Jedi its a bit harder because a BH choose when to strike, a Jedi would have to be permanently grouped with a SL running macros to benefit from it.

no doubt, it'll be "working as intended" for a month or so... then patch 25 or so it'll be fixed so that "Bounty Hunters engaged in combat with a Jedi target will lose any squad leader enhancements which shall not be reapplied for the duration of the Bounty Hunter TEF"

bh can probably have the buffs the same way jedi can (dont know wat the buffs are couldnt be bothered to read about sl changes) but lol next your be saying nerf doc buffs on bh.

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MrShipWright wrote:
bh can probably have the buffs the same way jedi can (dont know wat the buffs are couldnt be bothered to read about sl changes) but lol next your be saying nerf doc buffs on bh.

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as i understand it, a doc cant be buffed while in combat or TEF'd... the issue with SL buffs is that they aren't affected by aTEF system because they're applied group-wide. so a BH grouped with a SL in the current system can receive SL enhancements over and over. So can a Jedi, but like I say, a Jedi would really need to be grouped constantly which is restrictive and impractical whereas a BH can pick and choose when to group for a hunt

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PodgerTheGreat wrote:

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MrShipWright wrote:
bh can probably have the buffs the same way jedi can (dont know wat the buffs are couldnt be bothered to read about sl changes) but lol next your be saying nerf doc buffs on bh.

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as i understand it, a doc cant be buffed while in combat or TEF'd... the issue with SL buffs is that they aren't affected by aTEF system because they're applied group-wide. so a BH grouped with a SL in the current system can receive SL enhancements over and over. So can a Jedi, but like I say, a Jedi would really need to be grouped constantly which is restrictive and impractical whereas a BH can pick and choose when to group for a hunt

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yes but it depends on the timer on a sl buff i.e if its a few mins long (like 10min or something) its just like a regular buff but there probably still be very short and macroed as normal (even though i havent seen a sl since cu)

Message Edited by MrShipWright on 09-04-2005 07:22 AM

ok - 2 things

the nasty ones (like volley fire etc) require the SL to "paint" the target - and this wont work as the jedi isnt a valid target for the SL

the group wide ones are considered an assitive measure and dont break through the TEF - just like an area heal bacta spray does nothing to TEF'd players

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MasterSheep wrote:

ok - 2 things

the nasty ones (like volley fire etc) require the SL to "paint" the target - and this wont work as the jedi isnt a valid target for the SL

the group wide ones are considered an assitive measure and dont break through the TEF - just like an area heal bacta spray does nothing to TEF'd players

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cool... you can tell there ain't many squad leaders about, or it wouldn't be an issue

still, its never been tested with BH Tef... remember the tef not clearing on BH death? when this goes live, its going to be a nightmare to start with

Yes, but can an MBH/SL dabbler just group with his droid or a pet or two to get the individual buffs? I don't know if the group buffs work with just pets its been a while since I played SL . . .

if there's any way... any exploit... any loopholes, you can guarantee that it'll be used within 2 days of the patch going live. then what'll happen is some effing idiot will come in here whining about it and next thing will be every bh who trolls these forums for just those whines will use it.

Message Edited by PodgerTheGreat on 09-04-2005 04:46 PM

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MasterSheep wrote:

ok - 2 things

the nasty ones (like volley fire etc) require the SL to "paint" the target - and this wont work as the jedi isnt a valid target for the SL

the group wide ones are considered an assitive measure and dont break through the TEF - just like an area heal bacta spray does nothing to TEF'd players

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I had a bounty hunter/squad leader come after me last week, he was grouped with his droid and kept volley fire on me so it definately works on Jedi.

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Uninformed wrote:
Yes, but can an MBH/SL dabbler just group with his droid or a pet or two to get the individual buffs? I don't know if the group buffs work with just pets its been a while since I played SL . . .

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I don't think this will ever be an issue because you would lose speed and accuracy, plus the ability to take advantage of carbs or rifles and then you won't have much, if any healing. SL just don't have the defensive or offensive power to compliment BH so that you can take out a jedi. There's a reason BH's go cm, rifles or carbines...it's because those professions give massive offensive power to compliment the BH specials. SL has nothing but the new buffs which ain't much when youdon't have enoughweapons speed or accuracy or healing....you'd have to sacrifice one or all of those in order to pick up some extra speed and specials from a ranged profession.