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Thread: Can someone help me choose a template?

waffenstuff
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:26 am
#1


I am currently:
MLS / Def 1x2x / Healer 2xxx / Enh xxx2


Which template would be better?

MLS / Def 4x4x / Healer 4xxx / Enh 34x2

or

MLS / Def 444x / Healer 4xxx / Enh 3xx2

or

MLS / MDef / Healer 3xxx / Enh 2xxx

or

MLS / MDef / Healer 3xxx / Enh xxx2


I know force armor takes up force when you get hit so would it be better to go with more ranged defense? I do not have great crystals or pearls so my FC is high (26) on my 4th gen saber.


What I'm basically wanting to know is how is PVE for MDef and how is PVP for MDef. Is it worth loosing out on the force run and other skills to get? You get 6550 or so force with MLS /MDef and only 6050 force with the dabblers. You also get a better regen rate with the double master templates. So how do they compare?


Thanks

Message Edited by waffenstuff on 09-15-2005 07:50 AM

KaliMaul
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:27 am
#2

I'd choose number 2.



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Luisen
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:44 am
#3

Try TKM, MSwordman, Doctor 4000... It's much better than our jedis on these dark days.... (my second char is tkm, msword, doc 4000 and I enjoy with him more than jedi....)



PD: When all jedis will be tkm, msword, doc 4000, then the BHs will hunt us and the devs will nerf us... It's a bet lol





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waffenstuff
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:11 am
#4

ok but what about MDef vs Def 444x vs Def 4x4x + enh 34x2 ?
Luisen
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:38 am
#5

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404



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waffenstuff
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:41 am
#6






Luisen wrote:

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404





You wouldn't get aura?!?
Luisen
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:54 am
#7

Well, I was defender (now I'm mls, menhancer, healer 4100, novice def) and the aura was not useful (for me). I think it's enought with the passive defenses and force infusion, but force valor was so interesting for me. Very useful against bhs and ranged enemies. The block it gives you is much more than the mls block (for example, a jedi with ls 0404 and defender xxx4 blocks more shoots than a jedi with mls). Its duration is 30 segs too (like aura), but for me, it's more interesting



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Usama
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:55 am
#8






Luisen wrote:

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404






I would choose Aura over Valor personally. In fact i just dropped Force Armor for 4440 Defender and could not be happier. The Force cost associated with Force Armor became an issue for me.


Just my 2 cents.





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Puttley
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:15 am
#9

(Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) of the choices is best IMO for a nice all round template, though i'm a cloak sucker so might suggest : MLS, Def 1x4x, enhancer 3xx3, healer 4xxx, powers x4xx. you'd then also get drain force - nice in group PVP if you're in anorganised group Vs defenders.you'd loose 14% actual damage reduction mind def 444x gets 44% resist, def 1x4x gets 30% - though if you're PVPing then expect to be armorbroke anyhow so the difference is actually marginal at best.
waffenstuff
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:17 am
#10






Usama wrote:





Luisen wrote:

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404






I would choose Aura over Valor personally. In fact i just dropped Force Armor for 4440 Defender and could not be happier. The Force cost associated with Force Armor became an issue for me.


Just my 2 cents.







so the Def444x is sufficient for BH attacks?
Grunzer
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:19 am
#11






waffenstuff wrote:





Usama wrote:





Luisen wrote:

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404






I would choose Aura over Valor personally. In fact i just dropped Force Armor for 4440 Defender and could not be happier. The Force cost associated with Force Armor became an issue for me.


Just my 2 cents.







so the Def444x is sufficient for BH attacks?






I'm extremely curious about this too. Exactly how much defender do you need? I've heard Master Defender isn't really worth it anymore, and IMO, with MLS/MDef things look rather boring.






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Usama
Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:10 am
#12






waffenstuff wrote:





Usama wrote:





Luisen wrote:

Yes (sorry, I forgot the answer ), The second choice (Mls, Def 4440, Enhancer 3002, Healer 4000) is the best. But I suggest you Def 4404






I would choose Aura over Valor personally. In fact i just dropped Force Armor for 4440 Defender and could not be happier. The Force cost associated with Force Armor became an issue for me.


Just my 2 cents.







so the Def444x is sufficient for BH attacks?






It is definitely sufficient for BH attacks. I dropped Force Armor about 2 weeks ago and have successfully killed every BH that has hunted me with the exception to one and it was a draw. I could not out damage his heals and he could not kill me.


I had the same concerns when debating on dropping Force Armor for 4440 Defender. I spoke to a Jedi via PM here on the forums and asked him basically the same questions. He also did not have any problems handling BH attacks. I had 4 million Jedi xp banked and decided to give it a try and if I did not like it, I could easily grind back enough xp to switch back.


The morning that I changed templates I did some really brief testing before the servers shut down.



I had a friendof mine hit me with the same attack ( Head hit I thinkit was )


With ForceArmor on: 380 pts damage

With4440 Defender:497 pts damage


I think you will pleased with either of the 2 templates. I just prefer only using force when I attack vs losing force when I attack and each time I get hit. I hope this helps you make a decision.



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waffenstuff
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:36 am
#13






Usama wrote:


It is definitely sufficient for BH attacks. I dropped Force Armor about 2 weeks ago and have successfully killed every BH that has hunted me with the exception to one and it was a draw. I could not out damage his heals and he could not kill me.


I had the same concerns when debating on dropping Force Armor for 4440 Defender. I spoke to a Jedi via PM here on the forums and asked him basically the same questions. He also did not have any problems handling BH attacks. I had 4 million Jedi xp banked and decided to give it a try and if I did not like it, I could easily grind back enough xp to switch back.


The morning that I changed templates I did some really brief testing before the servers shut down.



I had a friendof mine hit me with the same attack ( Head hit I thinkit was )


With ForceArmor on: 380 pts damage

With4440 Defender:497 pts damage


I think you will pleased with either of the 2 templates. I just prefer only using force when I attack vs losing force when I attack and each time I get hit. I hope this helps you make a decision.






Thanks for the input. Do you have any stats on how much force was lost when using force armor?


So like 380 pts (health) + 117 pts (force) ?



Thanks


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